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DemocratSinceBirth

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71. You don't get to determine the parameters of the debate
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 09:35 PM
Jul 2015

You don't get to determine the parameters of the debate and the suggestion that Bernie Sanders is some debating maven and Hillary Clinton is some debating dilettante is patently absurd...

I watch the so called debates on this board where one gets suckered into debating an ill defined and amorphous proposition and the so called debates end up nowhere. I don't roll like that, at least if I can help it.

Sanders? Raymond31 Jul 2015 #1
Mired in the mid-20s for favorability rating! George II Jul 2015 #21
mired? demwing Jul 2015 #133
cute table, but totally irrelevant to "approval" George II Jul 2015 #142
Dismissive, lol demwing Jul 2015 #156
do you understand what portion of the nation went to a Bernie event? .003% Sheepshank Aug 2015 #196
I don't think we ever really saw an accurate headcount of those events, either. Will we ever? George II Aug 2015 #231
Bernie's consistently RISING as people get to know him. sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #230
2007 Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #239
he is drawing crowds and seems to be gaining support restorefreedom Jul 2015 #26
And the converse of that: the more people see Sanders, the more people choose him n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #27
very true! nt restorefreedom Jul 2015 #32
Yeah, because Sanders is a great debater DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #41
do you see him with so called journalists? restorefreedom Jul 2015 #49
You mean he is able to revert to the answer he wants to give rather than the one ask? Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #194
he answers the questions asked restorefreedom Aug 2015 #201
He reverts back to his finanical lines, when ask about POC, it is back to the finanical answer or Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #203
he has said that racial inequality restorefreedom Aug 2015 #217
Okay, perhaps in the debates he will correct these issues and not give the canned Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #218
if we ever have a debate that is restorefreedom Aug 2015 #219
Maybe they won't have any debates, this will solve the problem. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #220
that would be dws's dream.nt restorefreedom Aug 2015 #221
No, it would be the dream of those posting here complaining about debates and how they are handled. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #222
they are being handled horribly restorefreedom Aug 2015 #223
Is this based on your expertise? Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #224
based on the data restorefreedom Aug 2015 #225
What data, link please Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #226
you really don.t know restorefreedom Aug 2015 #227
And how did this help the candidates? If the candidates are not able to get their message out in 6 Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #228
there were 27 for 2 contenders restorefreedom Aug 2015 #229
And it was too damn many. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #236
i agree restorefreedom Aug 2015 #237
The Party needs debates. Period. NYCButterfinger Aug 2015 #235
that seems to be what dws wants. nt restorefreedom Aug 2015 #238
Are we to assume that you are opposed to Economic Equality for POC and dismissive sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #240
How does Hillary do in debates? bvar22 Jul 2015 #59
Your compadre suggested Bernie beat that intellectual giant, Chuck Todd in a debate so he ... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #62
Grasping at straws again. bvar22 Jul 2015 #67
If you believe Bernie Sanders is the reincarnation of Daniel Webster there is nothing... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #68
Absurd Strawman. bvar22 Jul 2015 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #70
You don't get to determine the parameters of the debate DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #71
No. We don't get to determine those. Fawke Em Jul 2015 #74
I was referring to the debates on DU DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #79
I certainly DO get to determine the parameters of the debate, bvar22 Jul 2015 #95
Maybe you boss people around in real life DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #97
OK. bvar22 Jul 2015 #100
I am not interested in one cherry picked answer from the dozens of debates... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #105
Bingo! rock Jul 2015 #153
I might add... malokvale77 Jul 2015 #114
I have explained several times the etymology of my screen name... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #147
When supporting DEMOCRATIC politicians and Democratic constituencies BainsBane Jul 2015 #154
Thank you. Some folks have a strange definition of what is liberal and progressive and what isn't. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #155
Well said! ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #157
And THAT is why most of us are members of DU, thanks for your excellent post! George II Jul 2015 #162
You not only didn't make such offensive remarks, okasha Jul 2015 #165
While you didn't say any of those things, John Poet Jul 2015 #167
I was responding to this calumny as is my right. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #171
I could add a few, from what I know about you; but, that would be over-kill ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #177
It's a pity that a long time member here has to be attacked because the member's screen name.... George II Jul 2015 #161
Exactly ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #163
The etymology of my name... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #185
Interesting explanation. George II Jul 2015 #187
According to my interlocutor I chose that handle... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #188
. George II Jul 2015 #190
From your PM to me... malokvale77 Jul 2015 #184
Pretty low, posting the contents of a PM (PRIVATE MESSAGE) publicly. George II Jul 2015 #186
DU should really make up it's mind on this. malokvale77 Jul 2015 #189
oh ffs...people pick screen names without your input and advice, ok? Sheepshank Aug 2015 #198
Congratulations - you've now had two "straw" cliches/deflections used against you... George II Jul 2015 #143
Right? ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #158
If the issue at hand is Hillary Clinton's favorability rating, remember.......... George II Jul 2015 #75
OK, this really made me laugh. malokvale77 Jul 2015 #111
Where is your link to dispute this? Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #195
One of the benefits of the internet. to have these reminders of past performances at the ready.. 2banon Aug 2015 #214
Actually madokie Jul 2015 #65
Cool! We're "acolytes" now. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #88
"His acolytes"? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #101
Tell Hillary to insist on the debates artislife Jul 2015 #102
Funny how followers of a candidate who isn't even in the Party.... George II Jul 2015 #168
Is that it? heh nt artislife Jul 2015 #170
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #191
I can't copy and paste because I am on a public library computer. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #192
I expected Hillary's favorables and unfavorables to fluctuate with time. winter is coming Jul 2015 #51
yeah i honestly restorefreedom Jul 2015 #54
No time for debates when she's vacay-ing in $18 million shack in the Hamptons! Divernan Jul 2015 #60
no! the only threat to Dems winning is third parties/primaries MisterP Jul 2015 #85
...or sabotage from the Democratic Party leadership....like this: bvar22 Jul 2015 #98
with a strong source of money coming in the party's funding remains the same win or lose, national- MisterP Jul 2015 #118
....! KoKo Aug 2015 #232
Well, the difference between Hillary Clinton's unfavorable/favorable is 3 points, the difference... George II Jul 2015 #78
What should concern Clinton followers is that... malokvale77 Jul 2015 #116
Actually, "Bernie Who?" at this point is great news for Bernie. Dawgs Jul 2015 #136
I think it's the other way around, particularly with respect to favorability ratings... George II Aug 2015 #206
Here's a more significant number: among Independents, HRCs negatives are -60 leveymg Aug 2015 #204
example after example doesn't convince me that crowds=winning an election Sheepshank Jul 2015 #149
Why Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jul 2015 #2
You mean like the evil corporate gun industry? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #13
Maybe the candidate you are alluding to... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #16
Do you think Hillary would vote... malokvale77 Jul 2015 #117
Or the evil Minutemen? lunamagica Jul 2015 #17
More people have been held up by banksters artislife Jul 2015 #103
The banksters have been responsible for more... malokvale77 Jul 2015 #120
In what way Charlie? Sheepshank Jul 2015 #152
I was going to point out the defense industry too Sheepshank Jul 2015 #150
Because the lesser of the social evils are more important to some? tia uponit7771 Jul 2015 #66
Without Economic Justice - What Good Is Social Justice cantbeserious Aug 2015 #200
You have that backwards. okasha Aug 2015 #208
So The 1% Can Keep All Enslaved And Poor - Some Justice cantbeserious Aug 2015 #213
Clean miss. okasha Aug 2015 #215
Seem To Be Whistling A Different Tune To These Ears cantbeserious Aug 2015 #216
I am not settling for the lessor of the Two Corporate Evils, why would I settle for the lesser Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #197
HRC - Corporate Controlled By Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - An Unabashed 1% Minion cantbeserious Aug 2015 #199
Bernie votes to fund wars and this helps defense contractors, corporations. Bernie attends events Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #202
Did Bernie Report 140 Million Dollars In Taxable Income Since 2007 - Bill And Hillary Did cantbeserious Aug 2015 #207
She will solve her favorability problems in the general election after she summarily dispatches... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #3
LOL! Dream on, McDuff! peacebird Jul 2015 #7
Feeling the Bern DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #12
Good point Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #37
OK, putting all politics aside, that was funny. AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #52
But she's so good at losing. artislife Jul 2015 #104
She has never lost a general election. I believe your candidate has lost several... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #106
He never lost in a general election either artislife Jul 2015 #107
He never lost in a general election either DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #108
My mistake...he lost a senate election artislife Jul 2015 #109
Glad I was able to be of assistance. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #110
That's a nice young man helping you. artislife Jul 2015 #112
If I was a smaller man I would take umbrage at you suggesting I was a deaf woman DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #113
Go back to that thread--see ALL the posts artislife Jul 2015 #115
Mea culpa, like justin I am tired too... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #119
A real man walking the talk. Another is your hero, Muhammad Ali who fought the MIC. freshwest Aug 2015 #209
Here is another photo from that era when he met with other black athletes to discuss his... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #210
Thanks for that. A true hero indeed. I caught flak for supporting him. He was a brave man. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #212
Sanders lost in state-wide general elections THREE times: George II Jul 2015 #148
Hah... malokvale77 Jul 2015 #121
Hey, only 40 more points to go, right!? Adrahil Jul 2015 #18
Hmm... in New Hampshire, it's only 10 points. Fawke Em Jul 2015 #76
If Bernie can't win in New Hampshire, he can't win anywhere. Adrahil Jul 2015 #80
New Hampshire is not an accurate gauge for Sanders...it's almost like his home state.... George II Jul 2015 #83
One would hope he's "ascending", he started basically at zero. George II Jul 2015 #20
HRC was at 58% in aggregate polling in 12/13. She's at 57% now-7/15 DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #36
"Unnerving"! George II Jul 2015 #38
Joe Biden is at 12% DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #40
McDuff came of that challenge rather well. okasha Jul 2015 #125
??? ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #159
With what? All of the great progressive policy ideas? Dawgs Jul 2015 #137
Her experience, her accomplishments, and sheer force of will. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #139
They need to stop with this bullshit unfavorable numbers bigdarryl Jul 2015 #4
That is a very intelligent observation, sir. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #5
Right now the press is her biggest opponent bigdarryl Jul 2015 #6
That is another intelligent observation, sir. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #8
What!? But DU tells me that the Press coddles HRC!!!! Adrahil Jul 2015 #19
And that it's a government plot--sorta like "The X-files" ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #160
Nailed it. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #11
Correct - these polls are getting out of hand. But, to put these "favorable/unfavorable" numbers... George II Jul 2015 #28
That's not what this question is. jeff47 Jul 2015 #82
Good Points...Thanks. n/t KoKo Aug 2015 #234
Simon Cowell was right artislife Jul 2015 #122
Gee, you mean bullshit media lies and distortions are... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #9
" Remember when this place used to abhor the corporate media?" DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #15
Bernie's gotten a free pass from the media moobu2 Jul 2015 #10
The likely GOP nominee, Bush lll, wants to eliminate Medicare and says Americans are lazy... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #14
Hmm... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #22
If anybody will depress turnout he has shown no ability to engage African Americans and Latinos: DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #23
Of course... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #25
Put yourself in the other person's shoes...It's always a useful exercise. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #30
Hmm... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #33
She will win by reassembling the Obama Coalition DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #35
No she won't. eom Fawke Em Jul 2015 #77
I will answer your attempt at a rebuttal with the same paucity of thought, yes she will. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #81
And we know why that was. The 'big tent' wasn't exclusive enough for some, unfortunately. freshwest Aug 2015 #211
Not Only That... But There Would Be NO WAY... To Take Back EITHER House... WillyT Jul 2015 #86
I think they are counting on low turn out. malokvale77 Jul 2015 #123
Hey, that's Claire McCaskill's talking point. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #31
Do all of Hilary Clinton's detractors try to find the most unflattering photographs of woman of a DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #42
If you have a complaint, register it with the author of the YOUTUBE video. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #43
My complaint would be with the people who post them. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #45
You are not the hall monitor of DU. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #47
Nor do I claim that mantel... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #48
Baseless accusation of misogyny. How unexpected. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #50
The prima facie evidence DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #53
Riiiiiiiight. Can't dispute the facts so you go straight to accusations of misogyny. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #55
I am sure Al Capone thought Eliot Ness was "pathetic" DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #57
Are You Saying That YOU'RE Elliot Ness ??? WillyT Jul 2015 #89
Please feel free to make any inference my premise suggests. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #90
Just Did... WillyT Jul 2015 #92
An A for you DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #93
He's good at crap like that. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #129
And what are you good at? ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #164
Perhaps this: DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #173
I'll have to live with my posting history. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #175
I am willing to submit your post and what it reveals about you and my life to the test of history. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #176
Photographs? What photographs? All I saw were videos. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #72
Video, photograph, it's a difference without a distinction. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #73
That's a Photoshop. okasha Jul 2015 #124
None of the pictures are unflattering davidpdx Jul 2015 #131
As a fellow denizen of this board indicated the introduction of the video has been photoshopped. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #134
I did not see that post davidpdx Jul 2015 #182
Lookism is one of those subtle forms of prejudice that rubs me the wrong way... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #183
Great Job! kenfrequed Jul 2015 #135
I have agency and as part of that agency I get to decide what I respond to and how I respond. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #138
Regardless of your "agency", you should be embarrassed. n/t Dawgs Jul 2015 #140
Regardless of your "agency", you should be embarrassed. n/t DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #141
Yeah... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #145
I merely took umbrage at a photoshopped woman of a certain age.... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #146
So what? ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #166
These polls won't predict voter behavior. Why do I say that? JoePhilly Jul 2015 #24
I was looking at Romney's favorables at a national level... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #39
I'd suggest that ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #44
Favorability questions are used as "meta" questions jeff47 Jul 2015 #84
No they don't. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #132
That assumes no opinions change. jeff47 Jul 2015 #172
Which is why you repeat the study, over and over ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #174
+1 CountAllVotes Jul 2015 #29
What a warped view of Hillary. For somebody supposedly expecting a coronation, she has put in a lot Metric System Jul 2015 #34
How many supportershas declared coronation? None, must be the others thinks Hillary should be Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #46
Bernie talks good talking points FloridaBlues Jul 2015 #58
Love it. 840high Jul 2015 #96
Too bad some around here don't realize that it is ... CountAllVotes Jul 2015 #128
Turns out she's not likable enough after all. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #56
Good summary. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #63
The only number that matters on election day is ericson00 Jul 2015 #61
PBO Will Be > 50% approval because the unemployment rate will be < 5% DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #64
But Willy, haven't you heard? Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #87
ROFLMAO !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #91
. . . Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #94
Why don't you post Sanders'? Beacool Jul 2015 #99
Whoopsie! William769 Jul 2015 #126
Thanks Bill~ Cha Jul 2015 #127
DAMN, those numbers are "unnerving"! George II Jul 2015 #169
But it's too early for polls to matter ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #178
Let's just say in the coming month's we are going to see a huge crash & bern. William769 Jul 2015 #179
I see nothing here to unnerve me here. Lol~ sheshe2 Jul 2015 #180
I aim to please. William769 Jul 2015 #181
'Oh, numbers, numbers, the thing things are made of!' ~ Scienteeze. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #193
doubt she's unnerved 6chars Jul 2015 #130
Yawn ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #144
looking forward to the time when you will actually post a string of positives for your candidate Sheepshank Jul 2015 #151
It seems that Hillary is pretty popular until she becomes a presidential candidate. fbc Aug 2015 #205
But somehow Bernard can not catch her. moobu2 Aug 2015 #233
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