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Response to bravenak (Reply #50)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 11:47 AM

57. Yup, we both agree that racism in the US is overt and high-impact

 

But we're not debating the omnipresence of racism.

We're talking about political solutions to problems.

I've got political solutions to economic problems. And I have proof that addressing those economic problems makes long strides towards fixing several social problems. Not all, of course not, but some is obviously better than none.

Your counter is two-part. First, you tell me it's all meaningless until we cure racism. Well, okay. But how do we do that? Why hasn't it been done? Why isn't it being done? And how do efforts towards economic solutions to problems stymie this achievement? And where was this argument before April 30th, 2015?

Second, you tell me having cash won't stop a cop from trying to kill you. You're right! Of course, having rights and legal protections won't stop that, either, as you have clearly experienced. You had legal rights and protections at that traffic stop. Sandra Bland had those rights and protections at her traffic stop, too. So did Zachary Hammond, a 19 year old white man who was gunned down in the back during a traffic stop. The problem here isn't a lack of rights, a lack of protections, but rather the fact that police are simply free to ignore those rights and protections as they want.

You also made this argument:
Money did not help the Jews, imo. It made them a bigger target of racism.


There's a flip side to this argument - southern reconstruction. After the civil War, lots of laws and regulations were made to make black people the legal equals of white people, in nearly every way that could be imagined. it was pretty radical stuff, especially given the times. And you know what, by god it was working. Freed blacks were entering politics, building communities and schools, even going to Washington. They could bring - and win! - suits agaisnt whites, all this stuff that was unheard of at the time, and which in some cases might seem kind of fanciful even today (like police defending blacks against whites, what's up with that?)

One thing that was not done, however, was wealth redistribution. For two hundred years, enslaved Africans had been creatign wealth for their owners. After the war, those owners got to keep every cent of it, all the property, all the land, everything. Black people were left to bootstrap.

So after the occupation ended, what happened? Well, at that moment whites and blacks were legally equal and economically inequal. What happened? White people translated that wealth into political power, and used it to strip all those rights and protections and laws. In less than two years, everything was gone, and the south had entered the Jim Crow era, with a steamign helping of reenslavement (oh, "sharecropping"

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