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JDPriestly

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45. Do you think Hillary has "evolved" on foreign policy like she has on so many other issues?
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 05:23 PM
Aug 2015

How can anyone back a candidate who "evolves" as easily and as often and to such a self-interested extent as Hillary has?

Changing your mind on a couple of issues? Fine.

But Hillary is like a chameleon, changing her colors to suit the mood of the electorate. Who is she really anyway?

And then her refusal to say where she stands on issues like the TPP and as you read above, she favored it very much not long ago. She was bragging about it. At a time when America's balance of payments problem is severe, and we have utterly no policy to do anything about it, at a time when our industrial base has been decimated and our incomes are not really keeping up with our personal costs, we really do not need the TPP.

The point in posting 3-4 year old stuff is that we are trying to find out who Hillary really is and what she really stands for, assuming that her entire political personality is not just a product roll-out -- flavor of the month:

Hillary, you'll love her; she is just what you want her to be; just don't try to find out who she really is or what she really stands for.



If you think we Bernie fans are giving Hillary a tough time, just wait until the Republicans get a hold of her. She is going to have to state where she stands on issues like the XL pipeline, like the TPP and national security. And when she does, she will not only have to answer the questions of the Republicans, but the questions of the real Progressives in her own party.

Hillary is not going to be able to run on the froth that she is now running on.

She has some good policy proposals, but she is not answering serious questions that we Bernie supporters are asking.

Bernie, on the other hand, is open and clear on his stands on the issues. Nothing wishy-washy, nothing hidden, no huge epiphanies just in time to please the voters.

That's why we support Bernie, not Hillary.

Hillary is playing games with all of us, you, me and the rest of the voters. Who knows what she would do once in office? She is not very transparent on a lot of important issues like national security objectives.

Hillary voted for the Iraq War resolution without demanding more evidence and facts. For me, that is a big red STOP sign. STOP, LOOK and LISTEN. Hillary could be dangerous for the health and safety of America. How could anyone in Congress vote for a war based on such bogus information when the UN weapons investigation team was asking for time to finish their work? And how could Congress have allowed Bush to go into Iraq when the weapons inspectors reported just days or weeks earlier (prior to deployment; read the April 2004 issue of Vanity Fair) that Saddam had no WMDs.

Hillary's foreign policy, her war policy, has been disastrous for our country. And she is just one of many, many Democrats who failed our country and voted for war in Iraq. And now look at how ISIS has grown out of that war.

And I have serious questions about the role that the Hillary and Kerry State Departments have played in helping to arm the rebels in Syria and the terrible repercussions we are now seeing play out because of what I suspect was not a well thought through scheme to aid rebels about which we knew very little.

My suspicions about Syria and ISIS are just suspicions. There is little information about just how and from where ISIS gets its weapons. But there are only so many possibilities, and that makes me suspicious of the US role and the roles of some of the US allies like Saudi Arabia.

So yes, we do need to look at Hillary's past. After all, she reminds us repeatedly as she campaigns, that she is the one with the EXPERIENCE.

Thus, since she brags about her EXPERIENCE, it is perfectly correct for us to examine that experience very carefully.
K&R Scootaloo Aug 2015 #1
Yeah, she got a lot of splainin to do tularetom Aug 2015 #2
+ 1000 Well Put !!!!!!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Aug 2015 #54
The trade stuff is a bunch of B.S. which explains why unions are against it. n/t Skwmom Aug 2015 #125
That small group is irrelevant. We knew something had gone wrong with our party. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #176
Those of us who know about this don't understand why any Cleita Aug 2015 #3
Exactly. SoapBox Aug 2015 #7
In addition, I remember DLC being regarded as Republican Lite back Cleita Aug 2015 #14
Notice the right-wing and their media pundits never - never - criticize Hillary for this. Scuba Aug 2015 #67
I think there are at least two explanations. zeemike Aug 2015 #19
if all you care about, is a celebration party for donkey brand HFRN Aug 2015 #35
Yep, ignore policy and just root for the laundry, as Seinfeld put it. hifiguy Aug 2015 #65
Correct. 840high Aug 2015 #59
She's a neocon on foreign policy. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #133
Her record as SOS shows that and the fact that she considers Cleita Aug 2015 #134
Yep. That alone speaks volumes. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #135
People Need To Dig Deeper colsohlibgal Aug 2015 #4
Perhaps they work backwards from "I want Hillary" and filter accordingly. n/t winter is coming Aug 2015 #5
The Democratic Party has entered a period of "personality cult politics." Maedhros Aug 2015 #20
You nailed it. It's like a popularity contest and Hillary is going to be Student Body President! jalan48 Aug 2015 #21
Yup. Maedhros Aug 2015 #22
HA! So right on. It was a very funny movie as well. jalan48 Aug 2015 #25
Yup - just spent a weekend with one of them erronis Aug 2015 #12
The problem is this: Maedhros Aug 2015 #24
You are right. Unfortunately. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #39
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2015 #6
Excellent post. Thanks for taking the time to put this together. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #8
Hillary Clinton will never be the President of these United States of America madokie Aug 2015 #9
I agree. Too many Democrats I know have an Cleita Aug 2015 #26
Perhaps, but at this point in time the polls seem to disagree with that statement still_one Aug 2015 #27
If Hillary Clinton is never president, then history NYCButterfinger Aug 2015 #40
I wanted her to run that year... John Poet Sep 2015 #152
It's dangerous to be so certain. This is not a "done deal." senz Aug 2015 #98
I agree with you. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #123
Thats how it will be spun no doubt madokie Aug 2015 #132
Yup, madokie Oct 2015 #175
plain,simple, and right on. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #172
+ trillions dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #10
+ 1 senz Aug 2015 #99
+ 1,000,000 cantbeserious Sep 2015 #155
Well...there we have it. Hillary Clinton: "There are Those Who Would" -- "Those Who Say" KoKo Aug 2015 #11
Funny how we're the only country who needs a global military presence just for "opening new markets" arcane1 Aug 2015 #55
Good Point... KoKo Aug 2015 #62
It's not about selling products, which is what the Chinese focus on. hifiguy Aug 2015 #64
^^^BINGO! arcane1 Aug 2015 #70
You hit the nail on the head passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #86
Mic drop. blackspade Aug 2015 #107
Our relationship with China is unique. They treat us like a colony. We provide them the raw rhett o rick Aug 2015 #74
The U.S. Armed Forces are serving as mercenaries for China? oasis Aug 2015 #76
That's what you are adding to the conversation? I hope your emoticon rhett o rick Aug 2015 #81
nope, no rudeness intended. I was waiting for an expanded oasis Aug 2015 #84
The analogy to mercenaries is a valid comparison hueymahl Aug 2015 #89
Rather interested to read the reply. nt msanthrope Sep 2015 #154
And who the hell is trying to close off the sea lanes? Ken Burch Aug 2015 #79
Dar. He's a clever bugger, that one. Zorra Aug 2015 #82
Kick! nt. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #13
What's the point of posting 3-4 year old "stuff" (cleaned up for mixed audiences!) now? George II Aug 2015 #15
Quite obvious, isn't it? a leopard doesn't change its spots Roland99 Aug 2015 #17
+1 azurnoir Aug 2015 #23
leopards may not change their spots, but cheetos sometimes change their flavor nt HFRN Aug 2015 #37
only going from baked to fried Roland99 Aug 2015 #114
This post needs a theme song... zeemike Aug 2015 #29
Oh has she evolved? ibegurpard Aug 2015 #31
Better to evolve (why is that in quotes??) than to still be living in the '60s. George II Aug 2015 #48
Because the 60s was 3 years ago. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #60
We are living in the 60s Kelvin Mace Aug 2015 #101
on issues of *substance*, 3-4 years old is nothing HFRN Aug 2015 #36
3 to 4 years ibegurpard Aug 2015 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author Armstead Aug 2015 #44
Do you think Hillary has "evolved" on foreign policy like she has on so many other issues? JDPriestly Aug 2015 #45
It's totally UNFAIR to compare her to a chameleon. Chameleon don't change their accent arcane1 Aug 2015 #57
I'm sure most voters used Obama's first term to judge whether to give him a 2nd term. arcane1 Aug 2015 #56
Heck, why even post what she said a month ago whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #128
K&R n/t Michigan-Arizona Aug 2015 #16
K&R; This is serious stuff. Hillary has revealed herself time and time again. stillwaiting Aug 2015 #18
Kissinger must be SO PROUD of his hifiguy Aug 2015 #28
K&R CharlotteVale Aug 2015 #30
Yawn ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #32
Time to wake up Android3.14 Aug 2015 #95
They won't, Kelvin Mace Aug 2015 #102
That is all you have, "Yawn"? -none Aug 2015 #104
Facts are stubborn things, hifiguy Aug 2015 #117
Her splendid credentials: Neoliberal & Neocon HFRN Aug 2015 #33
Supporter of trade bills, H-1b visas and outsourcing HFRN Aug 2015 #34
This is a keeper article. zentrum Aug 2015 #38
The Thatcher Effect. hifiguy Aug 2015 #49
That's my big worry too. n/t zentrum Aug 2015 #66
I'm bookmarking this puppy. Thanks for posting, indeed. Purveyor Aug 2015 #41
Never. Never. Ever. FlatBaroque Aug 2015 #42
I also. NEVER. hifiguy Aug 2015 #50
OKAY I clicked the links and this is not there Armstead Aug 2015 #43
Found the Hillary article here: Purveyor Aug 2015 #53
Thanks for saving me more work, Purveyor! Zorra Aug 2015 #58
I found it via a text search: Aerows Aug 2015 #61
K&R and bookmarking - Excellent post n/t udbcrzy2 Aug 2015 #46
Kicked and recommended! The American people have been abused enough. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #47
"They sure as shit haven't!!! hifiguy Aug 2015 #51
+1 Enthusiast Aug 2015 #63
Enjoy that fuzzy Feeling . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2015 #52
America’s Pacific Century BlueStateLib Aug 2015 #69
False. The OP did not in any way, shape, or form, imply that Will Marshall Zorra Aug 2015 #71
"March 25, 2002, Seventy-Two Percent of Americans Support War Against Iraq" blackspade Aug 2015 #109
In a few months Hillary will be the Democratic nominee... onehandle Aug 2015 #72
You old party pooper you. oasis Aug 2015 #73
If that's so, you and others will have a hayday banning people. I guess that's your happiness. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #75
+10000 nashville_brook Aug 2015 #91
Add my approval of the post also. -none Aug 2015 #105
plus a million. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #171
So you'd embrace JackInGreen Aug 2015 #77
... Zorra Aug 2015 #78
What's bullshit about it? Ken Burch Aug 2015 #80
Why would we be banned for questioning a candidate's past record on issues? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #87
Imagine that. Democrats who care about democracy. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #90
That sounds like you just want to get revenge on anyone who doesn't back Hillary. senz Aug 2015 #100
In the school yard there were always those that chose to stand behind the biggest bully. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #108
Gee, I always thought that was a Republican trait. nt senz Aug 2015 #113
It would be nice if the only bad politicians were Republicons. But to think such, rhett o rick Aug 2015 #116
Indeed. senz Aug 2015 #119
Welcome to DU rhett o rick Aug 2015 #120
Thanks, rhett o rick. senz Aug 2015 #121
If that happens, enjoy your gloating blackspade Aug 2015 #110
The voting does not start for 5 months Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #127
Once again, a Hillary supporter having a fit because people dared post LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #137
Not much different then Bernie supporters being upset about folks criticizing his Brady Bill vote still_one Oct 2015 #177
Are you saying that we won't be able to question or criticize the candidate? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #169
They've been asking over and over who will support Clinton if nominated. They are keeping a list and rhett o rick Oct 2015 #174
thank you! Humongous big K and R! bbgrunt Aug 2015 #83
Boy that Swamprat thread is full of goodies Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 #85
Yeah it is. I plan to copy and paste in case it all gets scrubbed. Zorra Aug 2015 #118
I miss Swampy n2doc Aug 2015 #88
But, but .. Hillary now says she wants to 'wait & see" about TPP? 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #92
k and r nashville_brook Aug 2015 #93
Cleanup in aisle GD P. L0oniX Aug 2015 #94
So according to HRC, it's no longer about defense. It's about corporate well-being. senz Aug 2015 #96
What happened to PNAC's website? senz Aug 2015 #97
It's gone. Try this: Zorra Aug 2015 #103
Thanks, Zorra. Wonder why they took it down? The Neil Mackay article senz Aug 2015 #111
It lives on at the wayback machine nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #158
Thanks, nationalize the fed. I'd forgotten about the wayback machine. senz Sep 2015 #161
Must read, in all it's depressing glory. blackspade Aug 2015 #106
Hillary Clinton was writing this in her capacity as Secretary of State moobu2 Aug 2015 #112
Then why did she criticise her President in it? senz Aug 2015 #115
We are told that she got her foreign policy credentials as SOS - and now she was just djean111 Aug 2015 #130
^ Zorra Aug 2015 #122
Bumping your own month old thread. onehandle Aug 2015 #143
This enormous elephant in the room makes people uncomfortable, I get it. Zorra Sep 2015 #147
DO It ! John Poet Sep 2015 #153
Swamp Rat pictures collection: www.seedsofdoubt.com/distressedamerican/swamprat.htm L0oniX Sep 2015 #160
Oh, we need to keep this baby kicked! Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #124
Is there a reason no comment on the misleading description of the TPP - Strong worker protections, Skwmom Aug 2015 #126
The really stinky part: "coherence of our regulatory system and the efficiency of supply chains" Armstead Aug 2015 #136
So they are trying to get around worker safety and environmental standards, etc. But the way it is Skwmom Aug 2015 #142
Thank you for putting this together, I'll read at length later. Avalux Aug 2015 #129
Hillary came out early to support Obama and Kerry on Iran --- the single biggest change in US policy karynnj Aug 2015 #131
It has often been noted that she says whatever is expedient for her political interests Zorra Aug 2015 #138
However, Iran is more recent, and long before the way the wind was blowing was obvious. karynnj Aug 2015 #139
Millions of progressives knew immediately that Bush was lying. Zorra Aug 2015 #140
Yes, we know she "evolved." From attacking Obama from the right on foreign policy eridani Sep 2015 #151
K&R azmom Aug 2015 #141
Yawn ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #144
Nah, I'm not ready to let this sink. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #145
~140 replies, and NOT A SINGLE ANSWER to counter the charges in the OP DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #146
but, but, but...she's FEMALE. It's her turn! nt antigop Sep 2015 #148
^ Zorra Sep 2015 #149
Because endless war and loss of well-paying jobs are GOOD for women eridani Sep 2015 #150
She's a neolib. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #156
she just wants to be president olddots Sep 2015 #157
It is going to be very hard to clean up aisle GD-P. Please repeat this op often. L0oniX Sep 2015 #159
HAPPY LABOR DAY!!! Zorra Sep 2015 #162
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #163
^ Zorra Sep 2015 #164
^ Zorra Sep 2015 #165
... Purveyor Sep 2015 #166
What does she mean by 'leadership'? Do other countries view US as THEIR leaders? Not in any sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #167
^ Zorra Oct 2015 #168
Thank you. Another thread to trash. leftofcool Oct 2015 #170
A thread with enough cobwebs to decorate Trump Tower on halloween. oasis Oct 2015 #173
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Oct 2015 #178
^ Zorra Oct 2015 #179
Reminder kick Zorra Oct 2015 #180
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