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dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
45. I get all of that
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:43 AM
Aug 2015

and I am generally a big fan of Lessig and his reform efforts. Rootstrikers is a good organization, IIRC he is a large part of that.

In politics, money literally doesn't matter, only votes matter. Money is only useful as a way to get votes. Obviously it is extremely difficult to win without corporate money, it's the greatest challenge we face in getting reforms enacted. Bernie is showing us he can reach people without corporate money.

Once the great progressive force accepts the corporate PAC money, he/she is no longer a great progressive force. I've been watching for far too long not to deeply understand that, from my perspective it is proven out historically again and again. So you can win elections that way, provided you beat the Republicans, which even with large corporate money is no given (the taint of the corporatism and triangulation required by it is a dead giveaway to voters, who won't trust it), but even if you win, you're owned, and the people's needs are no longer on the table. We can site under the table and hope to get thrown a bone or two.

Unfortunately our situation is beyond dire. Climate change is a global killer that demands a total change in direction, now. There's no way that will happen with bought and paid for leadership. There are other issues with nearly that much urgency, too. Bones will not suffice, I have completely crossed that threshold, business as usual leads to collapse and probably extinction. I have a son who deserves a future.

We have to find a way to get it done without corporate PAC money. We finally have a candidate who has a chance to do just that. It will be far more difficult IMO to defeat Hillary than to defeat the Republican nominee. So I just don't accept that it's a huge risk to nominate Bernie, I think if he wins the nomination he has at least as good of a chance to win the general election as Hillary, and a far better chance of moving this country in the right direction. I'm sure you don't agree with that opinion, but it's deeply held on my part, I really think Bernie can get this done if he wins the nomination.

I've recently heard Bernie waver a bit on the issue of not using superPAC money, he said so far they've been able to do it, there was an implication in his speech that it is being looked at. I think it would be a huge mistake, our challenge is to learn to defeat big money, there is no other road to where we have to go. It's difficult but not impossible.

We need to get the message out to anyone who is receptive, which is more people than the usual suspects think. This country is frustrated as hell with policy not being reflective of the people's desires and needs, and that cuts across most every demographic. We have a once in a generation candidate who is a devoted public servant, genuine, with excellent analysis of the systemic problems and their solutions (which are mysteriously never on the table or even discussed by th media or by major candidates of either party, because money) and has consistently over his long political lifetime demonstrated exactly that. Time to do what's right not what the corporate strategists suggest, in my view it's our only hope and we have to put aside cynicism and get behind it.

Problem is..... daleanime Aug 2015 #1
The True Democrats will come around RobertEarl Aug 2015 #2
I have no doubt that "true Democrats" will support Sanders. Trouble, there are no "true Democrats" rhett o rick Aug 2015 #33
I like to think you are wrong RobertEarl Aug 2015 #43
Unfortunately that is true. zeemike Aug 2015 #5
frankly 2008 could've scared "them" as much as 1972 did: it was only luck MisterP Aug 2015 #10
VERY very true SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #8
What was your name then and what specficially was 'not mainstream' about your speakers? Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #21
then we need to burn them down if you get my drift. ;) roguevalley Aug 2015 #13
Of course we saw "a lid on voter enthusiasm" back in 2008 and 2012. George II Aug 2015 #14
We will just have to make the Bernami bigger then. n/t hootinholler Aug 2015 #24
And we will! The BernieMentum cannot be stopped! peacebird Aug 2015 #27
A lot of the establishment got in by claiming they like Reaganomics too. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #28
The problem is the Democratic Elite is conrolled by the Oligarchy and they would rather rhett o rick Aug 2015 #34
True, but he is putting them on the spot by issuing a challenge publicly to them to sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #47
K&R - Hell Yah!! -nt- 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #3
Bernie!! AzDar Aug 2015 #4
WE THE PEOPLE RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #6
Initiate Phase Two! retrowire Aug 2015 #7
... ancianita Aug 2015 #9
Wow thanks! n/t retrowire Aug 2015 #11
... ancianita Aug 2015 #12
Also they are meeting in Minneapolis. I wish we could get that 4000 that jwirr Aug 2015 #16
"…an ex-hippie from Vermont.." radiclib Aug 2015 #15
And in the first sentence..."Upstart"...really? SoapBox Aug 2015 #17
Excellent News - As Things Should Be cantbeserious Aug 2015 #18
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #19
What does that even mean? Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #22
You're correct ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #23
Here's the thing: this is from October of 2007 Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #25
And that has what to do with what we are talking about? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #26
My point is that no one has any idea who will win which votes next year at this point. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #30
His assertion is worse than you think dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #36
I disagree, respectfully. sadoldgirl Aug 2015 #29
Excellent! silverweb Aug 2015 #20
If Biden runs then they have to look ahead and respect Sanders now Babel_17 Aug 2015 #31
I hope there's enough data to make the Establishment Party see the wisdom Demeter Aug 2015 #32
For them, data = large corporate donors - nt dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #37
For Sanders to get support from party leaders, he needs to demonstrate viability Gothmog Aug 2015 #35
I didn't see a question in your post dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #38
It is really not that hard-How is Sanders viable in a general election campaign Gothmog Aug 2015 #41
I get all of that dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #45
If Warren Buffet believes what he has said in the past about taxes... EEO Aug 2015 #39
Buffett Plus Soros colsohlibgal Aug 2015 #40
Buffett will not support Sanders unless Sanders shows that he can raise funds and is viable Gothmog Aug 2015 #42
A small check direct to Sanders will be fine RobertEarl Aug 2015 #44
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #46
Our party leadership should be having its reality check any moment now Babel_17 Aug 2015 #48
Our Party Leadership has long ago been co opted by the Oligarchy. They don't care rhett o rick Aug 2015 #49
There are different cadres in our leadership Babel_17 Aug 2015 #50
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