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JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
138. Wbetber that happens or no depends on whether droves of Democrats stay home as they did
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 11:08 AM
Aug 2015

in 2014 in races with Blue Dog and other conservative Democrats or whether we not only get Democrats to the polls but add new votes to the numbers that support Democrats.

When I go to Bernie meetings, I see new faces, people who have never been active in politics, maybe not even voted, as well as a few who have worked on a campaign before.

Bernie is attracting new voters. I'm not even sure that the polls at this time are reflecting these potential voters who have previously shunned the Democratic Party.

If I recall, the candidates in 2014 who won, who excited voters enough to get out and vote were considered more to the left in great part. Al Franken kept his Senate seat. Others who strongly stand for traditional FDR policies, did better than those of the right, those who were too ready to compromise Democratic ideas with the Republican ones.

That can be interpreted two ways -- either that the electorate really leaned to the right or that the candidates on the "left" inspired voters to get to the polls because they felt that their vote could make a difference in Congress and their own lives.

I think the explanation is the latter. And when I meet with other Bernie supporters, I get the sense that they have decided that Bernie's ideas will improve their lives.

It's about time we catch up with other parts of the world on issues like family leave and universal health insurance and debtless post-secondary education, etc.

We are so far behind other countries.

Call is socialism. Call it common sense. What is in a name?

This is the age of computers. Computers do jobs we used to do. They do them for us, all of us. Why shouldn't we all benefit from the time saved, the money earned, when computers work instead of us?

Or should those who "own" the computers earn all the wages from these senseless automatons? It's a real question?

Because conservatives cannot on the one hand require women to birth as many babies as possible and on the other, replace the work the babies might one day do with machinery that costs very little to maintain and thereby force the moms and babies to live on less than it takes to just have a roof over their heads, food on their plates and the basic necessities of life. That is not going to work very long.

An ever growing human population, less work, and all the profits going to a relatively small group of people? Meanwhile those who earn the least are taxed at one of the highest rates when you consider total income?

That equation just does not work. And that is what conservatives, and to a lesser degree even Hillary are offering us.

Do you think the word "socialism" is really appropriate when you are talking about the world we have today in which corporations operate on the international level while working people are constrained to try to make a living in the confines of a nation?

I think the application of socialism as a theory traditionally was thought of as "nationalizing" production. That was the old idea. That is virtually impossible today because production is multi-national. The wheel is made in Mexico, the chassis in South Korea, the gears someplace else. How would anyone nationalize that production even if they wanted to.

Socialism today in my definition (since the traditional one would never work in today's economy) means sharing wealth so through taxation and the funding of government programs benefits everyone, keeps people alive, prepares them to contribute to society. That's what it means to me. And that is how it works in European and some other countries.

I might improve my definition in the future because I am thinking of it as I write it, but I do not think that anyone who uses the word socialism is thinking of the socialism of Marx or Lenin. The modern economy is not compatible with any such idea, and people have evolved beyond the limitations of communication and understanding of the world of the times those thinkers lived in.

Good thing there's no socialist running for the job. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #1
Um huh, right... PosterChild Aug 2015 #2
No worries, good buddy. We got this. HappyPlace Aug 2015 #4
Hum,.. cognitive dissonance ? nt PosterChild Aug 2015 #7
Hum....self diagnosis? daleanime Aug 2015 #17
Oh snap! HappyPlace Aug 2015 #24
Nice! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #19
Read the wapo article about ... PosterChild Aug 2015 #25
Thank you for your concern. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #42
Didn't you know? Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #60
Last time I checked, they allow a Republican to run as well... brooklynite Aug 2015 #101
He heh, yes they sure did! HappyPlace Aug 2015 #102
Most people seem to understand that. I am surprised you don't. nt Live and Learn Aug 2015 #69
So, "labels" trump "policy" for you? NorthCarolina Aug 2015 #86
Enough with the trump already! redwitch Aug 2015 #91
Lables are important to people . .. PosterChild Aug 2015 #93
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #119
Labels that are applied by others . .. PosterChild Aug 2015 #122
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #124
In the case of sanders . ... PosterChild Aug 2015 #125
It was also assumed America wouldn't elect a black guy. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #3
Not true . .. PosterChild Aug 2015 #6
Depends on the socialist Armstead Aug 2015 #5
Don't think so... PosterChild Aug 2015 #9
Did you read what I said? Armstead Aug 2015 #15
There us a difference . .. PosterChild Aug 2015 #30
The GOP routinely calls Hillary a socialist DJ13 Aug 2015 #56
Sure, but bernie... PosterChild Aug 2015 #95
Obama is the most frightful socialist of all time. He's still in office. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #67
but it didn't and doesn't stick ericson00 Aug 2015 #10
The way you describe Presient Obama he sounds like a conservative Armstead Aug 2015 #12
was my statement inaccurate? ericson00 Aug 2015 #14
Conservative means a lot more than that Armstead Aug 2015 #18
Spoken like a true conservadem. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #70
RE and doesn't call himself a socialist PosterChild Aug 2015 #16
What do you mean when you use the word "socialist"? JDPriestly Aug 2015 #28
What does the words mean... PosterChild Aug 2015 #43
Bernie thinks it means Sweden or Norway. I think it means Germany or Austria or France. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #51
Great! We will have a gop candidate ... PosterChild Aug 2015 #88
Bernie is simply the smartest guy in the room. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #97
Bernie may be the smartest man* in the room... PosterChild Aug 2015 #112
I don't mind witty retorts. Most DUers know I am a woman. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #117
+100 ! (Nm) PosterChild Aug 2015 #121
I know a whole lot of young people OnionPatch Aug 2015 #99
Because electing people owned by corporations has worked out so well for us. onecaliberal Aug 2015 #8
No, because .. PosterChild Aug 2015 #11
I guess you should stop using the socialist roads onecaliberal Aug 2015 #13
Yes, the roads... PosterChild Aug 2015 #20
And schools, and various agencies that keep our water and food and medications safe. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #131
You are right, We have nothing to fear. .... PosterChild Aug 2015 #137
Wbetber that happens or no depends on whether droves of Democrats stay home as they did JDPriestly Aug 2015 #138
The roads that were mostly built by private companies, right? FrodosPet Aug 2015 #80
Oh good Christ...That's a right wing talking point if ever I heard one Armstead Aug 2015 #21
I'm going to stop feeding it. onecaliberal Aug 2015 #27
I think you're rght. I'll just cross the bridge. Armstead Aug 2015 #31
Ditto. onecaliberal Aug 2015 #32
Stale, reheated John Bircher paranoia, right here on DU. arcane1 Aug 2015 #37
No, simply a concern for the electability . .. PosterChild Aug 2015 #48
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #23
Thus us an over the top slur... PosterChild Aug 2015 #33
Nothing over the top PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #38
LOL. A real fail ( nt) PosterChild Aug 2015 #45
It's not true.. and, says everything about you and absolutely nothing about your target. Cha Aug 2015 #77
Turns out you were wrong. I seriously wonder if you know what "fascism" is. George II Aug 2015 #87
That's why I call it corporatist. arcane1 Aug 2015 #40
Results. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #53
Ha! Good.. throwing around that word "fascism" as if he knew what it meant. Just bc BS is Cha Aug 2015 #78
It's only August 2015 - what will the rhetoric be early next year? They'll be throwing around... George II Aug 2015 #89
And, all in BS's name.. doesn't do their candidate any favors. Cha Aug 2015 #109
And here I thought Joseph McCarthy was dead PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #22
If you ask peple in the abstract whether they willl vote for a socialist, they will say no. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #26
Actually , the label matters . . PosterChild Aug 2015 #34
We shall see. I'm volunteering for Bernie. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #54
Nope MohRokTah Aug 2015 #29
+100 ! (Nm) PosterChild Aug 2015 #35
Then you need not waste one more precious moment of your life mentioning him. arcane1 Aug 2015 #36
I believe.. PosterChild Aug 2015 #39
Cool story n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #44
Not only cool, PosterChild Aug 2015 #46
55% thought Obama was a socialist jfern Aug 2015 #41
Think if he came out . ,, PosterChild Aug 2015 #47
We're all essentially socialists. Garrett78 Aug 2015 #75
The ignorant massess are actually right.... PosterChild Aug 2015 #83
Socialism is all around us and we'd be screwed without it. Garrett78 Aug 2015 #90
Why yes jfern Aug 2015 #130
Pointless shite whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #49
Funny when the Bernie haters can't even get information correct... SoapBox Aug 2015 #50
Um....no...he has called himself a socialist.... revmclaren Aug 2015 #57
"Bernie haters..".. right.. 'cause there are no "Hillary haters".. BS supporters are pure and would Cha Aug 2015 #79
The average voter . .. PosterChild Aug 2015 #110
Is a Socialist running? Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #52
Yes... revmclaren Aug 2015 #58
You're new. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #59
Sorry, wrong again... Here since 2012 revmclaren Aug 2015 #62
2012! Oooooh! Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #65
I know...think of all the missed recs!!! revmclaren Aug 2015 #68
Whatever we say in arguing about what Bernie should or should not be called, PatrickforO Aug 2015 #55
The MSM and the repubs will eat him alive revmclaren Aug 2015 #61
You are so right. moobu2 Aug 2015 #63
Yep /nt/ PosterChild Aug 2015 #84
Well off to bed... revmclaren Aug 2015 #64
I think so, yes. lovemydog Aug 2015 #66
"Bernie's not a 'socialist'".... PosterChild Aug 2015 #139
I hope we find out. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #71
I'm a Hillary supporter, but I don't think slamming socialism is really a winning tactic. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #72
"Preserve the reforms of the Obama administration"... AOR Aug 2015 #73
I'm sure all four of you left at the Bell are going to Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #82
So you're bashing the Bell now also... ? AOR Aug 2015 #98
Haha. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #100
Is "be the change you wish to see"... AOR Aug 2015 #104
You guys wrote your own pamphlet years ago. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #106
Wow...I think I will take the last word... AOR Aug 2015 #108
still not sold on Bernie MFM008 Aug 2015 #74
Were there similar articles 8 years ago? left-of-center2012 Aug 2015 #76
Eight years ago? Heck... PosterChild Aug 2015 #136
Socialist!: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #81
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #85
Who asked? George II Aug 2015 #92
FDR x3 Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #94
Yes. LWolf Aug 2015 #96
I would rather be thanked . ... PosterChild Aug 2015 #113
It's getting desperate. Voting for criminal capitalists hasn't served the public's interest. NCjack Aug 2015 #103
People are learning the difference between "socialist" & "democratic socialist." senz Aug 2015 #105
You can run a serious campaign for president,.... PosterChild Aug 2015 #115
My Democratic Party Chair was attacked as a socialist for merely attending Sanders event Gothmog Aug 2015 #107
FDR got elected 4 times RobertEarl Aug 2015 #111
Was FDR a... PosterChild Aug 2015 #114
Well, sure. He proved it too. RobertEarl Aug 2015 #116
I didn't ask... PosterChild Aug 2015 #118
I don't buy it. Chan790 Aug 2015 #120
Trendsetter? Or ... PosterChild Aug 2015 #123
We don't have any socialists running at the moment Hydra Aug 2015 #126
I find the favorability of ratings of "socialism" to be strikingly high. David__77 Aug 2015 #127
We have socialism in the United States Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #128
Yes, it's right up there... PosterChild Aug 2015 #133
What is so frightening about it? Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #129
Nothing is frightening, unless... PosterChild Aug 2015 #135
Last time I looked, I am part of America, and I will vote for a Democratic Socialist. djean111 Aug 2015 #132
And as a liberal individualist... PosterChild Aug 2015 #134
I vote for Democrats, not socialists ericson00 Aug 2015 #140
+100 ! (Nm) PosterChild Aug 2015 #141
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