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Sancho

(9,067 posts)
61. Hmmm, I think Bernie is giving exactly the reasons why he is wrong and Hillary is right!
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 03:15 PM
Aug 2015

Here's the first one: Hillary has been working for years, using her first hand experience in the boardroom and as a lawyer to create regulations that would actually work: not the simplistic ranting to "break up the banks" that can't happen internationally and that wouldn't even make a difference in the US!! Bernie's message is simple, easy to understand, and WRONG. You can look at some of Hillary's history and proposals easily.

http://correctrecord.org/hillary-clinton-a-fair-and-free-economy/

In order to understand why Bernie is wrong, we'll start with #1. I don't have time for a lengthy post on all six right now. This will keep folks busy for a few minutes anyway. There are links at the bottom as part of the debate.

Breaking up US banks would do nothing. Closing tax loopholes might help. Most big banks are not in the US, and most influential money is not in the US. The US can't "break up" international banks. As we all know, even getting Congress or the FED to regulate in the US is a challenge. Dodd-Frank is moving to do as much as possible and it's not fully implemented yet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_banks

1 China Industrial & Commercial Bank of China (ICBC)
2 China China Construction Bank Corporation
3 United Kingdom HSBC Holdings
4 China Agricultural Bank of China
5 United States JPMorgan Chase & Co.
6 France BNP Paribas
7 China Bank of China
8 Japan Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group
9 France Crédit Agricole Group
10 United Kingdom Barclays PLC
11 United States Bank of America
12 Germany Deutsche Bank
13 United States Citigroup Inc
14 Japan Japan Post Bank
15 United States Wells Fargo
16 Japan Mizuho Financial Group
17 United Kingdom Royal Bank of Scotland Group
18 China China Development Bank
19 France Société Générale
20 Spain Banco Santander

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/29/wealthy-stashing-offshore_n_3179139.html

Global Super-Rich Stashing Up To $32 Trillion Offshore, Masking True Scale Of Inequality: Study

The global super-rich are stashing trillions of dollars offshore with the help of some of the world's biggest banks, putting billions of dollars out of the taxman’s reach and masking wealth inequality's true heights.

Wealthy people were hiding between $21 and $32 trillion in offshore jurisdictions around the world as of 2012, according to a 2012 study from the Tax Justice Network, an organization which aims to promote tax transparency. The study, highlighted by a recent Bloomberg News report, found that more than $12 trillion of that money was managed by 50 international banks, many of which received bailouts during the financial crisis, according to James Henry, the study’s author.

“There’s a lot more missing wealth in the world than we had known about from previous estimates,” Henry told The Huffington Post. “The real scandal is not all these individual scandals but the fact that world’s policy makers who know about this stuff, have basically done nothing.”

http://www.davispolk.com/dodd-frank/

On July 21, 2010, President Obama signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act. The legislation marks the greatest change to the financial landscape in decades, affecting the regulation of domestic and foreign financial institutions, banking entities and commercial companies. Many of the Dodd-Frank Act's provisions rely heavily on rulemaking and interpretation by financial regulators. Since Dodd-Frank's enactment, Davis Polk has offered a growing suite of resources to help institutions and market participants understand and comply with the new requirements and stay informed about recent rules, regulator studies, important dates and upcoming deadlines in the implementation process.

SOLVING THE "TOO BIG TO FAIL" PROBLEM: RESOLUTION AUTHORITY VS. CHAPTER 14

On June 20, 2012, Davis Polk lawyers Randall Guynn and John Douglas spoke on a teleforum entitled, “Solving the ‘Too Big to Fail’ Problem: Resolution Authority vs. Chapter 14.” The event was hosted by The Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies’ Financial Services & E-Commerce Practice Group, and explores the Too Big to Fail problem in the post-Dodd-Frank era.

http://www.fed-soc.org/multimedia/detail/solving-the-too-big-to-fail-problem-resolution-authority-vs-chapter-14-podcast

http://www.c-span.org/video/?327191-3/washington-journal-roundtable-doddfrank-financial-law

Feel the heat of the Bern! L0oniX Aug 2015 #1
Not good enough, Bernie! Scootaloo Aug 2015 #2
I worry that he'll lose the War of Twittering. His Tweet Foo is not strong. HappyPlace Aug 2015 #7
But he isn't bulk-buying fake followers arcane1 Aug 2015 #23
Well then how can he defend us from ISIS??? HappyPlace Aug 2015 #24
! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #119
Hair! Don't forget the hair! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #76
Still with Hill. Metric System Aug 2015 #3
Because of where she stands on these issues? artislife Aug 2015 #5
Clinton said no to reestablishing Glass-Steagall because she isn't sure it would correct the problem rhett o rick Aug 2015 #43
And Hillary admits a private email server "Clearly Wasn't the Best Choice" cascadiance Aug 2015 #59
I want to point out that the exerpt you posted is such a great example of Clinton speak. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #98
I have noticed this with every speech she makes, Utopian Leftist Aug 2015 #105
When asked about about college loans she said something like, "no student should go into rhett o rick Aug 2015 #107
And notice how she says "college" which could be a way of not saying "university"... cascadiance Aug 2015 #114
With an argument like that, how can anyone not be with her? Dawgs Aug 2015 #6
I'm not here to change minds. Metric System Aug 2015 #8
Looks like you're succeeding. eom R. P. McMurphy Aug 2015 #13
LOL! Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #14
OK? Metric System Aug 2015 #16
I didn't say you were. n/t Dawgs Aug 2015 #33
Because not everyone votes on the issues. thesquanderer Aug 2015 #27
Excellent and unbiased analysis Z_California Aug 2015 #36
HRC do so for "electability" reasons AlbertCat Sep 2015 #137
I'm dealing with that same argument with a close friend of mine. He loves Bernie's ideas but Stardust Sep 2015 #117
I agree, no Dem pres can likely implement much of a progressive agenda thesquanderer Sep 2015 #129
You are so right. Reminds me of an ESPN story about a high school football coach who is bucking Stardust Sep 2015 #136
Curious, do you stand with her on those issues? LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #12
I don't require purity from my candidates. It's easy to have a record like Sanders when you Metric System Aug 2015 #15
I don't require purity from a candidate either. That wasn't the question though LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #17
How does he plan to make all these changes? They're just words. Again, he has never been in a Metric System Aug 2015 #19
Seems more anti-Sanders than pro-Clinton arcane1 Aug 2015 #25
How are Hillary's plans not "just words"? Dawgs Aug 2015 #34
He HAS been in a leadership position so their goes THAT talking point. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #44
You don't appear to want to say if you agree with Hillary's stance on these six issues LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #48
*crickets* peacebird Aug 2015 #102
Maybe that is why he likes HRC so much hueymahl Sep 2015 #135
+1 BeanMusical Aug 2015 #108
Amazing. You can't say you support even a single one of Hillary's positions LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #83
You do know he has been a mayor, a Representative, and a Senator don't you? A Simple Game Aug 2015 #87
I'll admit I goofed on his background. That being said, it drives me INSANE when I see posts like Metric System Aug 2015 #91
I never implied you were a campaign plant, but it is common practice for campaigns to send A Simple Game Aug 2015 #97
Yor still have not answered the question? pangaia Aug 2015 #106
OMG. He audited the Fed for the first time ever. grahamhgreen Aug 2015 #90
It seems that you do though Fearless Aug 2015 #18
Okay,...THAT gave me a chuckle over my morning coffee. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #45
Compromise like this I can live without: Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #21
Citizens United ruined Hillary tecelote Aug 2015 #39
This video is definitely worth watching just to the get a small taste Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #64
"He has never had to compromise and work with others, since he has never been in a leadership role." Marty McGraw Aug 2015 #30
Oh, there's no point trying to understand it... sibelian Aug 2015 #70
doesn't that just smell Marty McGraw Sep 2015 #138
Yes, it smells EXACTLY like that sibelian Sep 2015 #141
How peculiar. You say you don't require purity, but then complain when he doesn't meet your metric. Bubzer Aug 2015 #42
Forrgive me for paraphrasing your statement in post #15. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #46
Aaaah, "his work isn't really his..." sibelian Aug 2015 #71
We elect representatives, not leaders. grahamhgreen Aug 2015 #89
A vote for Hill is a vote for the same old thing with ... SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #60
That's fine. But you know what I wish? I wish Hillary's supporters would talk sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #144
But it's "Her TurnŠ"!!! tularetom Aug 2015 #4
That's it in a nutshell. hifiguy Aug 2015 #52
There are major differences between them on many of the big issues I care about. stillwaiting Aug 2015 #9
given in Greatest threads tht there is a thread about how billionaires roguevalley Aug 2015 #67
Bernie is running on his own beliefs. tecelote Aug 2015 #10
And that's the big difference. Fearless Aug 2015 #20
Exactly. tecelote Sep 2015 #122
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Aug 2015 #11
Republicans would oppose all five of Bernie's positions... raindaddy Aug 2015 #22
Those are good reasons Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #26
Succinct, fair, and powerful differentiation between the candidates. <nt> AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #28
^^^This!^^^ SoapBox Aug 2015 #41
One HUGE Reason to pick Hillary over him... brooklynite Aug 2015 #29
He'll do it with Pixie Dust..... BooScout Aug 2015 #31
This is SOOOO "2008". Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #47
Yeah except kenfrequed Aug 2015 #96
Hope you blew the dust off that old-ass script before you started reading the lines again. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #121
"I have yet to hear how Sanders can build Marty McGraw Aug 2015 #32
No, it is not... brooklynite Aug 2015 #35
If Hillary doesn't win the General Election, all her money will be worthless. Ino Aug 2015 #37
^This LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #50
...and yet, she's competitive or ahead of every likely Republican. brooklynite Aug 2015 #54
There's that "she has the money" again... Ino Aug 2015 #72
Money isn't a solution; but it's a threshold brooklynite Aug 2015 #80
Well, I hope you're sending her big donations then... Ino Aug 2015 #101
Sorry - what does her vacation have to do with her campaign? brooklynite Aug 2015 #104
You said money is a HUGE reason to vote for Hillary. Ino Aug 2015 #115
+1 The repukes are drooling at the thought of running against her in the general. hifiguy Aug 2015 #55
I agree that having a huge money war-chest is a terrible reason to vote for a candidate. Bubzer Aug 2015 #63
I have yet to hear why ... DrBulldog Aug 2015 #51
Your underlying assumption is that Hillary will win. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #56
No sale. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #73
And if he were to get the nomination and Democrats don't support him does that mean they would be... Armstead Aug 2015 #85
I've never blamed Nader for 2000; I've always blamed Gore for running a mediocre campaign... brooklynite Aug 2015 #86
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #93
"they also have the least to lose if we don't" neverforget Aug 2015 #111
That says it in a nutshell, doesn't it? Ron Green Aug 2015 #116
His supporters donate at $30.12 per donation eridani Sep 2015 #118
So if Bernie makes it to the general election you don't see how he can overcome the A Simple Game Aug 2015 #95
Sanders dining with Congressional staffers proves that he can't work with his colleagues.. frylock Aug 2015 #38
Bernie was up and running on the issues and did not need a listening tour or a lot of paid JDPriestly Aug 2015 #57
Well, of course it was, what else would you expect them to do? sibelian Aug 2015 #74
Let's compare apples and apples. Bernie's net worth vs. the Clinton's (both of them) $30MM in 16 m. erronis Aug 2015 #40
Please explain your post to someone like me hwo doesn't understand your approach. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #58
Re: Please explain your post to someone like me hwo doesn't understand your approach. erronis Aug 2015 #78
Thank you. Clearly we need to require all candidates to disclose their wealth in a format JDPriestly Aug 2015 #84
And don't forget Hillary's "little summer job" last year that earned her $1.6 million ... DrBulldog Aug 2015 #49
I really only need one. He is not the run of the mill establishment small d democrat. Autumn Aug 2015 #53
Hmmm, I think Bernie is giving exactly the reasons why he is wrong and Hillary is right! Sancho Aug 2015 #61
lol. cali Aug 2015 #62
Stop laughing! Breaking up the banks would do nothing! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #79
Nice of you to cherry pick information d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #88
So you ignore history from last year and make my point!!! Sancho Aug 2015 #94
Changing your point I see d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #131
Hillary is the Democrat on the Wall Street Team. jalan48 Aug 2015 #65
Trade policies in the 21st century? #2 and why Bernie is wrong again.... Sancho Aug 2015 #66
Thank you so much, Sancho.. one poster couldn't handle your research so all he had was.. Cha Sep 2015 #124
On number 3, Bernie almost needs to be fact checked by Politifact. He usually isn't so careless. Sancho Aug 2015 #68
biggest for me. the gnewz media is trying to Gore her. they want NEW, they want SQUIRREL!(tRUMP). pansypoo53219 Aug 2015 #69
Good point! calimary Sep 2015 #133
Yep. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #75
We all know Bernie gets excited and talks in simple bullet points, but he's off base again. Sancho Aug 2015 #77
Mahalo, Sancho~ Cha Sep 2015 #125
Hillary was against raising the cap; is now considering it thesquanderer Sep 2015 #132
Number 5: again, it's not the principle but the details... Sancho Aug 2015 #81
Yes, all the candidates want $15 per hour but, it's not viable in all areas.. does BS pay his Cha Sep 2015 #126
Correction: Hillary wants $12/hr. (n/t) thesquanderer Sep 2015 #130
#6 Hillary has stated that voting for the IWR was a mistake, and this was on DU earlier this week: Sancho Aug 2015 #82
Her mistake cost us 8 trillion dollars, countless lives, and ou security. Can't afford another. grahamhgreen Aug 2015 #92
Like the SCOUS justice who said the Bush V Gore decision was a mistake Lordquinton Sep 2015 #120
Exactly. Without consequences to their actions, they'll continue to make more mistakes. grahamhgreen Sep 2015 #139
81 Democrats voted for the IWR...it was not "her mistake". Sancho Sep 2015 #128
There are consequences to votes that increase our debt by 8 trillion. grahamhgreen Sep 2015 #140
I so agree with your last paragraph.. thank you! Cha Sep 2015 #127
The multiple postings from "Sancho" tell us Huddie94 Aug 2015 #99
How so? sheshe2 Aug 2015 #110
"Bernie is honest and the folks backing Hillary Clinton are not." All you have are insults and Cha Sep 2015 #123
When GW Bush sulphurdunn Aug 2015 #100
I plan on voting for Bernie. bigwillq Aug 2015 #103
Kick and R BeanMusical Aug 2015 #109
K&R. ion_theory Aug 2015 #112
Big K&R. Paka Aug 2015 #113
Every time I see it it I think rock Sep 2015 #134
Bernie is not a materialist olddots Sep 2015 #142
When did we get used to having millionaire politicians? When did that become the new norm? liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #143
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