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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: DLC's PNAC Document - Hillary Clinton On America's Strategy [View all]Zorra
(27,670 posts)138. It has often been noted that she says whatever is expedient for her political interests
at any given time. This is one reason why the majority of American voters don't trust her.
What Hillary wont say about Iraq
As transcripts show, Sen. Clinton's views on the war have slowly changed since 2002, but she still can't say her own vote to authorize force was a mistake.
As for Clinton? Her public statements since October 2002 reflect a slow, relatively steady evolution in her thinking or at least in her talking points. She has gone from 1) voting for the use-of-force resolution, to 2) questioning the intelligence that formed the basis of that vote, to 3) arguing that the Bush administration distorted the intelligence, to 4) saying she didnt regret giving Bush authority to use force but did regret the way he used that authority, to 5) saying the resolution never would have come to a vote if Congress knew then what it knows now, to 6) saying that Congress wouldnt have voted for the resolution if Congress knew then what it knows now, to 7) saying that she wouldnt have voted for the resolution if she knew then what she knows now.
Thats a lot of small steps, but Clinton remains either unable or unwilling to take the final one: To say not just that she would have voted differently if she knew then what she knows now but that she should have voted differently based on what she knew then. Clinton has said many, many words in her evolution. Mistake at least when it come to describing her own vote still hasnt been one of them.
Heres a look at her journey so far.
http://www.salon.com/2007/02/14/hillary_66/
As transcripts show, Sen. Clinton's views on the war have slowly changed since 2002, but she still can't say her own vote to authorize force was a mistake.
As for Clinton? Her public statements since October 2002 reflect a slow, relatively steady evolution in her thinking or at least in her talking points. She has gone from 1) voting for the use-of-force resolution, to 2) questioning the intelligence that formed the basis of that vote, to 3) arguing that the Bush administration distorted the intelligence, to 4) saying she didnt regret giving Bush authority to use force but did regret the way he used that authority, to 5) saying the resolution never would have come to a vote if Congress knew then what it knows now, to 6) saying that Congress wouldnt have voted for the resolution if Congress knew then what it knows now, to 7) saying that she wouldnt have voted for the resolution if she knew then what she knows now.
Thats a lot of small steps, but Clinton remains either unable or unwilling to take the final one: To say not just that she would have voted differently if she knew then what she knows now but that she should have voted differently based on what she knew then. Clinton has said many, many words in her evolution. Mistake at least when it come to describing her own vote still hasnt been one of them.
Heres a look at her journey so far.
http://www.salon.com/2007/02/14/hillary_66/
2015:
Hillary Clinton: 'I Made A Mistake' In Voting For The Iraq War
After days of Republican presidential candidates wrestling with questions on the Iraq war, Hillary Clinton weighed in Tuesday, telling reporters that her vote in favor of the war in 2002 was a mistake.
I made it very clear that I made a mistake, plain and simple. And I have written about it in my book, I have talked about it in the past, Clinton told reporters at an event in Cedar Falls, Iowa, adding that what we now see is a very different and very dangerous situation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/19/hillary-clinton-iraq-war_n_7337822.html
After days of Republican presidential candidates wrestling with questions on the Iraq war, Hillary Clinton weighed in Tuesday, telling reporters that her vote in favor of the war in 2002 was a mistake.
I made it very clear that I made a mistake, plain and simple. And I have written about it in my book, I have talked about it in the past, Clinton told reporters at an event in Cedar Falls, Iowa, adding that what we now see is a very different and very dangerous situation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/19/hillary-clinton-iraq-war_n_7337822.html
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The trade stuff is a bunch of B.S. which explains why unions are against it. n/t
Skwmom
Aug 2015
#125
That small group is irrelevant. We knew something had gone wrong with our party.
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#176
Notice the right-wing and their media pundits never - never - criticize Hillary for this.
Scuba
Aug 2015
#67
Perhaps they work backwards from "I want Hillary" and filter accordingly. n/t
winter is coming
Aug 2015
#5
You nailed it. It's like a popularity contest and Hillary is going to be Student Body President!
jalan48
Aug 2015
#21
Perhaps, but at this point in time the polls seem to disagree with that statement
still_one
Aug 2015
#27
Well...there we have it. Hillary Clinton: "There are Those Who Would" -- "Those Who Say"
KoKo
Aug 2015
#11
Funny how we're the only country who needs a global military presence just for "opening new markets"
arcane1
Aug 2015
#55
Our relationship with China is unique. They treat us like a colony. We provide them the raw
rhett o rick
Aug 2015
#74
What's the point of posting 3-4 year old "stuff" (cleaned up for mixed audiences!) now?
George II
Aug 2015
#15
Better to evolve (why is that in quotes??) than to still be living in the '60s.
George II
Aug 2015
#48
Do you think Hillary has "evolved" on foreign policy like she has on so many other issues?
JDPriestly
Aug 2015
#45
It's totally UNFAIR to compare her to a chameleon. Chameleon don't change their accent
arcane1
Aug 2015
#57
I'm sure most voters used Obama's first term to judge whether to give him a 2nd term.
arcane1
Aug 2015
#56
K&R; This is serious stuff. Hillary has revealed herself time and time again.
stillwaiting
Aug 2015
#18
"March 25, 2002, Seventy-Two Percent of Americans Support War Against Iraq"
blackspade
Aug 2015
#109
If that's so, you and others will have a hayday banning people. I guess that's your happiness.
rhett o rick
Aug 2015
#75
Why would we be banned for questioning a candidate's past record on issues?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2015
#87
That sounds like you just want to get revenge on anyone who doesn't back Hillary.
senz
Aug 2015
#100
In the school yard there were always those that chose to stand behind the biggest bully.
rhett o rick
Aug 2015
#108
It would be nice if the only bad politicians were Republicons. But to think such,
rhett o rick
Aug 2015
#116
Not much different then Bernie supporters being upset about folks criticizing his Brady Bill vote
still_one
Oct 2015
#177
Are you saying that we won't be able to question or criticize the candidate?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Oct 2015
#169
They've been asking over and over who will support Clinton if nominated. They are keeping a list and
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#174
So according to HRC, it's no longer about defense. It's about corporate well-being.
senz
Aug 2015
#96
We are told that she got her foreign policy credentials as SOS - and now she was just
djean111
Aug 2015
#130
Swamp Rat pictures collection: www.seedsofdoubt.com/distressedamerican/swamprat.htm
L0oniX
Sep 2015
#160
Is there a reason no comment on the misleading description of the TPP - Strong worker protections,
Skwmom
Aug 2015
#126
The really stinky part: "coherence of our regulatory system and the efficiency of supply chains"
Armstead
Aug 2015
#136
So they are trying to get around worker safety and environmental standards, etc. But the way it is
Skwmom
Aug 2015
#142
Hillary came out early to support Obama and Kerry on Iran --- the single biggest change in US policy
karynnj
Aug 2015
#131
It has often been noted that she says whatever is expedient for her political interests
Zorra
Aug 2015
#138
However, Iran is more recent, and long before the way the wind was blowing was obvious.
karynnj
Aug 2015
#139
Yes, we know she "evolved." From attacking Obama from the right on foreign policy
eridani
Sep 2015
#151
~140 replies, and NOT A SINGLE ANSWER to counter the charges in the OP
DisgustipatedinCA
Aug 2015
#146
It is going to be very hard to clean up aisle GD-P. Please repeat this op often.
L0oniX
Sep 2015
#159
What does she mean by 'leadership'? Do other countries view US as THEIR leaders? Not in any
sabrina 1
Sep 2015
#167