2016 Postmortem

hifiguy

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116. Kissinger monkeywrenched LBJ's peace offer to the North Vietnamese.

Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:00 PM

Sep 2015

By telling South Vietnam's Thieu he'd get a better deal from Nixon. At Nixon's order.

Historical Fact.

And the terms Nixon announced before the 1972 election were EXACTLY THE SAME as LBJ's original offer back in 1968.

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My God... You Don't Want Headlines Like THIS... [View all] WillyT Sep 2015 OP

And the hits just keep on coming! nt Logical Sep 2015 #1

some of this reminds me of 1999 hfojvt Sep 2015 #37

Nah. This has nothing to do with Rush Limbaugh back in 1999. delrem Sep 2015 #42

the similarity is hfojvt Sep 2015 #48

That has nothing to do with Rush Limbaugh in 1999 either. delrem Sep 2015 #50

you may have missed that part hfojvt Sep 2015 #51

That's nice. Especially nice that you remember it 16 years later. n/t delrem Sep 2015 #53

Rest assured, if Sanders or O'Malley had done something like this, it would have been reported. merrily Sep 2015 #63

could be a million reasons for this. What is the subtext you are implying? Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #108

I'm not implying any "subtext". delrem Sep 2015 #110

I'm waiting to see what happens with the primaries Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #75

Says it all right there. HerbChestnut Sep 2015 #2

That's super! ibegurpard Sep 2015 #3

The House Of Cards May Be A Tumbling cantbeserious Sep 2015 #4

Which explains Biden's tentative plans to run again. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2015 #32

"he will make decision in late fall" is bullshit politics. delrem Sep 2015 #44

Late Fall is the latest possible date he can make his decision. Filing deadlines. merrily Sep 2015 #64

Interesting point.... dixiegrrrrl Sep 2015 #70

. merrily Sep 2015 #98

I believe he is still grieving for his son/trying to decide if campaigning IdaBriggs Sep 2015 #73

It sure as all heck feels like it's circling the proverbial drain. hedda_foil Sep 2015 #36

Holy Shit on a shingle dorkzilla Sep 2015 #5

Anyone know why she scrapped the public event? Autumn Sep 2015 #6

Likely, she got 3 RVPS Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #9

I just read the comments. Brutal. Autumn Sep 2015 #11

because no one shows up? dorkzilla Sep 2015 #10

Scheduling conflict? daleanime Sep 2015 #7

It's hard to buy enthusiastic crowds. 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #20

It's not really hard. I would bet the deed to my home that politicial crowds have been merrily Sep 2015 #61

ugh. voting machines. 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #100

. merrily Sep 2015 #102

So far, a scheduling conflict has been cited for merrily Sep 2015 #62

she sucks as a candidate dorkzilla Sep 2015 #78

She kept glancing at notes when speaking about merrily Sep 2015 #80

oy dorkzilla Sep 2015 #87

Just what I would expect merrily Sep 2015 #92

merrily I'm going to buy me a Volvo now because I love you THAT much! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #95

Sorry. I forgot which utterly unacceptable vehicle you drove. merrily Sep 2015 #96

Lexus, Volvo, its all the same out-of-touch latte drinking car dorkzilla Sep 2015 #101

Only someone who's been "dead broke" can truly understand the plight of Volvo owners. n/t RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #111

Well I�ve been broke more times than I had money. I�m definitely in the middle now... dorkzilla Sep 2015 #114

I'm glad you have a great car. I was mainly being cheeky RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #119

I knew you were kidding me! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #121

Sorry! Wasn't sure! RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #125

Was that when she was caught not knowing how to put gas in the vehicle? LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #127

Haha. I bet they have a blast when they get together with the Poppy Bushes RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #128

Some high price talent.... daleanime Sep 2015 #82

"80% of life is showing up." Woody Allen merrily Sep 2015 #85

Then she should fire whoever does her scheduling, This just makes her look Autumn Sep 2015 #103

Wow. No wonder she's plummeting. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #8

She brought her own matches, hifiguy Sep 2015 #112

OK, 2008 was a blunder. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #117

Agreed 100% hifiguy Sep 2015 #118

Wow. I am not a fan of Hillary, SheilaT Sep 2015 #12

i think so too restorefreedom Sep 2015 #15

Death by a thousand self inflicted wounds MissDeeds Sep 2015 #31

Four friggn' years of 3rd Way/corporate run focus groups - Divernan Sep 2015 #47

Maybe 8. I heard something about her asking Kanye to hold off his 2016 run to 2020, so she can merrily Sep 2015 #65

I don't know, it is hard to imagine someone with her ambitions ever giving up LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #88

There's no way she concedes until some one else..... daleanime Sep 2015 #105

She's going to lean heavily on those Super Delegates.. frylock Sep 2015 #124

No! She canceled it because it was going to be too awesome!! jeff47 Sep 2015 #13

lol. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #17

Very Good! Kilgore Sep 2015 #79

�We�re going to raise a significant amount of money.� progressoid Sep 2015 #14

Now, if we could only teach a check how to pull a voting machine lever. merrily Sep 2015 #66

i see the money grab is still scheduled restorefreedom Sep 2015 #16

"Forget the little people, take me to your filthy rich folks." n/t Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #18

They DID say she was planning on more spontaneous JackInGreen Sep 2015 #19

Last minute cancellations are indeed spontaneous. The plan is working! Kudos to the campaign team! merrily Sep 2015 #67

Well-heeled donors? Yes, please! Old Crow Sep 2015 #21

I get the sense that Hillary is getting worn out, is not up to the task. reformist2 Sep 2015 #22

I don't think she wants a 2008 repeat. CoffeeCat Sep 2015 #35

I'm beginning to think she sees the writing on the wall and wants to bail out dorkzilla Sep 2015 #89

I've noticed that... CoffeeCat Sep 2015 #130

Your post reminds me of this: LWolf Sep 2015 #131

Will she ever have enough money? fbc Sep 2015 #23

Optics! frylock Sep 2015 #24

I remember Eugene McCarthy when I think of Bernie. Schmice2 Sep 2015 #25

How old were you in 1968? McCarthy would have lost to Nixon by a landslide. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #28

"Kissinger cut a deal with Nixon to derail the Vietnam peace talks...." WillyT Sep 2015 #33

Kissinger monkeywrenched LBJ's peace offer to the North Vietnamese. hifiguy Sep 2015 #116

Humphrey was a great man, but if they hadn't murdered Bobby, Nixon would have lost to him. hedda_foil Sep 2015 #38

I WAS there. 99Forever Sep 2015 #84

Yeah, I do too, Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #68

Sure you are demwing Sep 2015 #69

JFK was killed in Dallas. For all we know, the Secret Sevice pulled the plug on the appearance. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #26

Yet, Why Did She ??? - She Still Had The Time To Collect The Money !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #27

She'd have canceled sooner but tried to arrange some face-saving "conflict" Divernan Sep 2015 #43

There's ALWAYS time to collect hifiguy Sep 2015 #113

That's some very impressive stretching you'r doing there. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #60

"JFK was killed in Dallas" and the Secret Service LWolf Sep 2015 #72

Whew! in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #83

Because JFK was killed there? Autumn Sep 2015 #104

Dallas, you say? Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #29

. merrily Sep 2015 #93

Bernie N/T denbot Sep 2015 #30

YAWN!! lobodons Sep 2015 #34

YAWNS & sleepiness may be signs of depression Divernan Sep 2015 #49

Goddammit you made me gigglesnort Scootaloo Sep 2015 #58

She's scrambling to raise every damn penny before dropping out. Divernan Sep 2015 #39

Her Ready For Hillary campaign Aerows Sep 2015 #40

Campaign slogan: Take the PAC money but don't run Divernan Sep 2015 #46

That's great! Aerows Sep 2015 #109

Big deal. So she downsized her Dallas event schedule? delrem Sep 2015 #41

This shows that she's frugal. frylock Sep 2015 #107

Well, she evidently cut budget of her spinmeisters. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #120

In Dallas for breakfast on 9/22; when was public event scheduled? Divernan Sep 2015 #45

If you can't pay to listen to Hillary, delrem Sep 2015 #54

#1 Clinton Fight Club Rule: You gotta pay to play! Divernan Sep 2015 #55

All this negative bullshit. There's no sign whatever that Hillary has "plateaued". delrem Sep 2015 #52

How's that river in Egypt? Divernan Sep 2015 #56

I'll explain after I figure out the purpose of the humerus bone. delrem Sep 2015 #57

Your right .. She has not plateaued Trajan Sep 2015 #86

She has momentum! LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #94

Damn it you just made me choke on my tea!!!!! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #122

She lives in a hermetically sealed world AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #59

That's exactly what the problem is. She's a "bubble girl." Vinca Sep 2015 #71

The Truth...Sad as it is......she's long gone..n/t KoKo Sep 2015 #123

Well, 150 Rich People here, 200 Rich People there, 75 Rich People there... Buns_of_Fire Sep 2015 #74

You seem to be assuming that: Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #76

Everybody knows that politicians have to actually appeal to voters to get elected.. frylock Sep 2015 #126

Nobody has cast any votes for anybody as of yet Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #132

Happy to see that people are finally realizing that a vote has yet to be cast frylock Sep 2015 #133

Ouch. Guess we know where "We, the People" fit in her grand scheme. peacebird Sep 2015 #77

So what does "Big D Democrats" mean? randome Sep 2015 #81

Traditionally, "Big D" = Dallas. Buns_of_Fire Sep 2015 #90

Thanks. Still, meeting with 'Democrats' sounds less populist than meeting with voters. randome Sep 2015 #97

Well, I do. But I can see that her supporters wouldn't. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #91

Why not it is the truth about what is going down YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #99

Will she turn down the money and lecture the fatcats about how bad money in politics is? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #106

"Turn down the money" hifiguy Sep 2015 #115

She's a lousy public speaker. xfundy Sep 2015 #129