That in a nutshell is why the USA is so fucked up (Reply #10)

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Wed Sep 30, 2015, 07:55 AM

Armstead (47,803 posts)

10. That in a nutshell is why the USA is so fucked up

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"This is what I want, but I'm afraid we'll never get it, so I'm going to vote for the same status quo that has been screwing us over for 30 years."

Meanwhile, the GOP relentlessly pushes for what it wants and -- despite temporary setbacks -- gets most of what they want.

Without an opposition party that is equally strong and consistent on its principles -- and which instead helps to push the agenda ever rightward -- the GOP is ale to sell out the US to the Wealthy and Powerful.

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199 replies	Author	Time	Post
Iowa Democrats worry Bernie Sanders couldn't win a general election or tame Washington [View all]	Gothmog	Sep 2015	OP
What a cruel joke.	SamKnause	Sep 2015	#1
It's political reality. Politics is ever the art of the possible, the art of the next best...	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#7
The subtext is that Hillary is electable. Based on her rather significant net negatives I	LondonReign2	Sep 2015	#82
Hillary's negatives are a concern. But Sanders starting at -50% is a sure loser. nt	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#89
Sanders is not at -50%, as you know	LondonReign2	Sep 2015	#93
He's absolutely at -50%. As soon as the video ad runs which we all know is coming...	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#107
And Bernie will smile, own the lable, and tell people just what it means	LondonReign2	Sep 2015	#119
Link to poll showing Sanders at -50%	frylock	Sep 2015	#173
yes, Hillary is electable based on her good work and committment to the people.	riversedge	Sep 2015	#156
Based on her high net negatives, a lot of people disagree	LondonReign2	Sep 2015	#158
It's just planting a seed.	NorthCarolina	Sep 2015	#23
Indeed. And many of those same people have Wall St ties.	raouldukelives	Sep 2015	#34
Well said, Thanks...	haikugal	Sep 2015	#87
It was cruel of the Founders not to give the President full powers	treestar	Sep 2015	#104
This.	Skidmore	Sep 2015	#154
This is the primary process and voters can support a candidate for any reason they want	Gothmog	Sep 2015	#142
But that's just it ...	1StrongBlackMan	Sep 2015	#181
Welcome back my friend	Gothmog	Sep 2015	#185
Good to be back ... I think! ...	1StrongBlackMan	Sep 2015	#188
They certainly can. And if they choose more of the same, they'll get more of the same	Armstead	Sep 2015	#182
you realize you're probably going to be alerted by the Bernie's for a "disruptive, hurtful, rude,...	Bill USA	Sep 2015	#192
"My concern is him being able to win the support he needs in Congress."	Cali_Democrat	Sep 2015	#2
Mom n Dad coming home to say the party is over wins no fans	JackInGreen	Sep 2015	#5
Not at that moment. But when the kids become adults they appreciate the levelheadedness in hindsight	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#8
They don't endorse him because he is fighting to end their gravy train of campaign donations.	Dustlawyer	Sep 2015	#19
At least you acknowledge he gets no support in congress. That should be the end of his candidacy	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#30
no, the end of your candidacy is when the people find you untrustworthy	virtualobserver	Sep 2015	#39
Then that should be Sanders. He is promising things he knows he cannot deliver. And you all know it.	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#53
Man it is getting deep around here! I need my BS waders on	hueymahl	Sep 2015	#69
the victim mentality of the DNC	virtualobserver	Sep 2015	#92
Replace victim with reality and you have it. nt	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#113
you are at peace with your powerlessness	virtualobserver	Sep 2015	#117
I hope I never get so cynical that I would ever give up and accept that America will	Dustlawyer	Sep 2015	#147
With an attitude like that why vote?	Kilgore	Sep 2015	#168
Exactly what things is Hillary going to get Republican votes to pass?	LondonReign2	Sep 2015	#96
That's not the question. She's not the one promising to be transformative or different.	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#112
When you claim Sanders can't get anything to pass, it is the question.	jeff47	Sep 2015	#130
Sanders has been in Congress for a long time with no significant legislation to his credit	Gothmog	Sep 2015	#144
Actually, he does have significant legislation to his credit	jeff47	Sep 2015	#152
What is that legislation?	Gothmog	Sep 2015	#159
You could find it if you were actually looking instead of repeating talking points	jeff47	Sep 2015	#162
"She's not the one promising to be transformative or different."	cyberswede	Sep 2015	#163
Why?	daleanime	Sep 2015	#41
You mean besides that he would be a completely ineffectual President as a result? nt	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#51
Great framing, but obviously no, why should we....	daleanime	Sep 2015	#64
Yes he would and you admitted it. What is the disconnect here?	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#66
Yeh, we need a supportive congress, like Obama had. Oh wait....	HERVEPA	Sep 2015	#78
No, I admitted what my question was...	daleanime	Sep 2015	#80
You are seriously confused	kristopher	Sep 2015	#127
You may be correct if only congress critters were allowed to vote.	NorthCarolina	Sep 2015	#84
+1!	dorkzilla	Sep 2015	#109
Not even close! We will be behind him as he uses the Bully Pulpit like never before!	Dustlawyer	Sep 2015	#141
While the contest continues it really doesn't matter who wins if Democrats don't control congress.	olegramps	Sep 2015	#56
People also felt that Americans would not vote for a black man.	thesquanderer	Sep 2015	#111
I don't any knowledge of such polls. I would appreciate if you would refer to them.	olegramps	Sep 2015	#167
Here's some numbers...	thesquanderer	Sep 2015	#172
Perhaps as we move closer to election time the same will happen for Sanders.	olegramps	Oct 2015	#198
So you believe that Sanders literally stands alone in being against the plutocracy?	mythology	Sep 2015	#125
Congress and others stick with who's "comfortable," another word for status quo. Who's "comfortable"	ancianita	Sep 2015	#155
YES!	smilingwen	Oct 2015	#196
Like Hillary Clinton will ANY COOPERATION from Republicans.	99Forever	Sep 2015	#68
Maybe they fear the DNC, so some	ejbr	Sep 2015	#74
How many Republican endorsements does Hillary have?	LondonReign2	Sep 2015	#76
Oh hell, don't get your panties in a wad,	pocoloco	Sep 2015	#118
So, Democrats in congress won't support him?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Sep 2015	#135
But he'll make a lot of speeches and pound the table. That'll get stuff done.	bluestateguy	Sep 2015	#136
Yeah that cuts right through the propaganda	workinclasszero	Sep 2015	#170
This Texas voter thinks the same and has been asking for months why anyone should chance	uponit7771	Sep 2015	#3
I actually hope he would do less than Hillary.......less damage.	yourout	Sep 2015	#20
how are dems supposed to react to wingerish Hillary hate!?	uponit7771	Sep 2015	#22
Is your coding broken? Your response had nothing to with the post	LondonReign2	Sep 2015	#99
If all that can be done is cuss and give out shit...I'll take that over waffling and echoing	Armstead	Sep 2015	#28
If this is the case, then what significant piece of legislation did he get through Congress?	Gothmog	Sep 2015	#145
VA authoriation bill, adding comunity clincs to Obamacare...	Armstead	Sep 2015	#153
No, it wasn't the Obama "was naive"....	daleanime	Sep 2015	#44
I do believe that he had hope that he could reason with the radicals.	olegramps	Sep 2015	#75
Very possible....	daleanime	Sep 2015	#86
1. veto power 2. bully pulpit 3. have masses of people at his back ready and willing to do what it	magical thyme	Sep 2015	#58
Only Hillary can tame Washington. Yeah, that's it.	Scuba	Sep 2015	#4
Every Repub in the House would hold up each vote against a Prez Sanders as a badge of honor	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#6
Every GOP in House would also hold a vote against a Prez Clinton as a badge of honor	Armstead	Sep 2015	#11
YES!!! n/t	haikugal	Sep 2015	#91
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Sep 2015	#12
Sure. Make sure you take 50% of the electorate for the Republican into account up front.	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#13
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Sep 2015	#18
Sure. Hillary carries the entire Obama coalition plus an additional 10% of the Latino vote and an	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#25
Hillary carries the entire Obama coalition	PADemD	Sep 2015	#59
Anecdotal one-offs by anonymous internet users does not prove anything.	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#63
Riiight. Those polls.	hueymahl	Sep 2015	#72
Agree. (nt)	PotatoChip	Sep 2015	#83
Minus me and a whole lot of others.	Autumn	Sep 2015	#124
Are you stating that you will not support the Democratic nominee?	Gothmog	Sep 2015	#146
Did you read my post and the post I responded to? If you read it you know exactly what I said and	Autumn	Sep 2015	#193
So she carries the entire coalition that voted against her in 2008.	jeff47	Sep 2015	#133
Fox math	frylock	Sep 2015	#174
50%....	daleanime	Sep 2015	#46
Nope, 50% will not vote for a Socialist so Sanders is down that much before we start.	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#48
Would that have been 50% 5 years ago?	daleanime	Sep 2015	#70
Yes. Dislike of Socialists has been pretty steady for the last 10 years or so.	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#88
That's this year's......	daleanime	Sep 2015	#94
Good thing Bernie is a Democratic Socialist then	LondonReign2	Sep 2015	#114
we shouldn't vote out of fear of a republican backlash in Congress	bigtree	Sep 2015	#24
We should always vote taking all realities into account including this one. nt	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#26
The realities that have produced a totally dysfunctional congress....	daleanime	Sep 2015	#57
There are tons of realities I don't like either. They are still realities. nt	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#61
And we should work toward changing them?	daleanime	Sep 2015	#65
Sure. It will be Jan 2023 at the earliest before we can get a Democratic congress.	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#71
If we don't start it will take forever.....	daleanime	Sep 2015	#81
They'll do the same with any vote against	Bettie	Sep 2015	#29
Exactly what I said. And therefore there is no point to Sanders' candidacy.	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#31
So, we should all	Bettie	Sep 2015	#35
Nope. Assuming all Democrats will not be able to accomplish much, we have a perfectly acceptable	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#50
No point in even having a primary then	Bettie	Sep 2015	#73
I love it when the best you can say about your candidate is	hueymahl	Sep 2015	#79
If he has hundreds of thousands of people calling, writing and faxing congress he can.	Qutzupalotl	Sep 2015	#60
This is false on its face, Sanders supporters act like there was no Obama movement of any issue	uponit7771	Sep 2015	#187
+1	uponit7771	Sep 2015	#186
On what issues/votes are Republicans going to side with President Clinton?	LondonReign2	Sep 2015	#103
Easy...	freebrew	Sep 2015	#131
You are spot on, which is why they can never answer this question	LondonReign2	Sep 2015	#132
There is zero point to a Sanders candidacy.	workinclasszero	Sep 2015	#195
Hillary represents more of the same.	zomgitsjesus	Sep 2015	#9
There is zero hope for change from a Democrat until Jan 2023. The GOP controls the House	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#15
That in a nutshell is why the USA is so fucked up	Armstead	Sep 2015	#10
It's mind boggling isn't it? And the people on this thread that think	A Simple Game	Sep 2015	#21
+1,000,000,000	donf	Sep 2015	#102
They are correct on both counts.	DanTex	Sep 2015	#14
I am not a socialist. I'm a fair capitalist.	NYCButterfinger	Sep 2015	#16
Iowa Democrats???	Gamecock Lefty	Sep 2015	#17
Jonathan Allen is in the Hillary Camp. He wrote a book	NorthCarolina	Sep 2015	#33
The resurgence of Hillary?	frylock	Sep 2015	#175
I'm in Iowa	Bettie	Sep 2015	#36
Oh okay	Honeylies	Sep 2015	#27
This is actually just another Vote For Hillary!!! OP. Trying to dishearten or whatever.	djean111	Sep 2015	#37
Bingo!	Armstead	Sep 2015	#40
Bingo. Hillary "tames Washington" by just going along with Republicans on War, Banks, Oil...	MindfulOne	Sep 2015	#110
add +1 to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt	antigop	Sep 2015	#32
A large number of people have concerns about the viability of Sanders in the general election	Gothmog	Sep 2015	#148
add "+1" to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt	antigop	Sep 2015	#151
Ignoring is bliss --for a while.	riversedge	Sep 2015	#157
Does everyone remember	FlaGranny	Sep 2015	#38
At one point Bill Clinton was considered "unelectable" too	Armstead	Sep 2015	#42
Who could forget how electable Kerry was supposed to be?	frylock	Sep 2015	#176
Really?	pinebox	Sep 2015	#43
Here's how it works.	Javaman	Sep 2015	#45
A little more complicated than that...	Armstead	Sep 2015	#49
oh of course...	Javaman	Sep 2015	#52
"TAME Washington"??? Are you Kidding?	fredamae	Sep 2015	#47
Problem is	angrychair	Sep 2015	#54
Problem is, if he can't work with Congress there is no working for you.	leftofcool	Sep 2015	#67
no system is perfect	angrychair	Sep 2015	#121
Are you suggesting that Clinton	bvf	Sep 2015	#122
So President Obama shouldn't have been re-elected	artislife	Sep 2015	#139
Ever More Bernie Bashing By Establishment Democrats	cantbeserious	Sep 2015	#55
I essentially agree with those folks	redstateblues	Sep 2015	#62
The contest to win is control of the congress, both houses. Period.	olegramps	Sep 2015	#108
todays "bernie is great but he can't win" meme brought to you	restorefreedom	Sep 2015	#77
Otherwise known as "being the best person for the job is not important" meme. Look, a squirrel!	GoneFishin	Sep 2015	#100
but they're so cute!	restorefreedom	Sep 2015	#116
They are frickin' cute. That one especially.	GoneFishin	Sep 2015	#137
How many is some?	Geronimoe	Sep 2015	#85
That's understandable considering there have been no debates	fbc	Sep 2015	#90
Klearman is a tool of the fascists	PowerToThePeople	Sep 2015	#95
Elizabeth Warren ELECTABLE. Bernie not so much.	lobodons	Sep 2015	#97
What about a Sanders/Warren ticket? (n/t)	thesquanderer	Sep 2015	#115
They scream Socialist Socialist Socialist for every Democrat.	jeff47	Sep 2015	#134
No candidate is ever guaranteed of winning. If you like him then vote for him or not. But this	GoneFishin	Sep 2015	#98
I think you're going to see a lot of older women (50+) voting for HRC and younger women	WI_DEM	Sep 2015	#101
WA state here	artislife	Sep 2015	#140
They would be 100% correct.	moobu2	Sep 2015	#105
Misleading title.	kenfrequed	Sep 2015	#106
If Bernie Sanders is the nominee we'll have a Republican president	moobu2	Sep 2015	#123
No	kenfrequed	Sep 2015	#129
If the GOP win in 2016, the SCOTUS will be an arm of the GOP for a generation	Gothmog	Sep 2015	#150
That is in no way a response to what I wrote.	kenfrequed	Sep 2015	#161
Your post was based on the flawed premise that there are no consequences if Sanders loses	Gothmog	Sep 2015	#165
You just lied	kenfrequed	Sep 2015	#189
Read post 124 on this thread	Gothmog	Sep 2015	#190
You accused me of supporting a republican	kenfrequed	Sep 2015	#194
"Klearman plans to caucus for Clinton in February"	left-of-center2012	Sep 2015	#120
couldn't/wouldn't/shouldn't. Their concern has been duly noted.	Hiraeth	Sep 2015	#126
Well bless their little hearts, they are worrying for naught.	Autumn	Sep 2015	#128
The concern is backwards	AgingAmerican	Sep 2015	#138
Kick & highly recommended!	William769	Sep 2015	#143
Some brain power awakens....	Gloria	Sep 2015	#149
What if Bernie Sanders wins the Iowa Caucus	INdemo	Sep 2015	#160
A Sanders victory in Iowa is meaningless according to Nate Silver	Gothmog	Sep 2015	#166
How can anyone be so sure	INdemo	Sep 2015	#177
Sanders is not polling well with AA voters and these voters are pragmatic	Gothmog	Sep 2015	#179
Nate "Sanders has plateaued... again" Silver	frylock	Sep 2015	#178
Imagine this	INdemo	Oct 2015	#199
Bernie is a good man	Clayton Clay	Sep 2015	#164
How come no one ever notices that Hillary is the weakest in the general election polls?	jfern	Sep 2015	#169
"need to select the candidate that they are most comfortable with"- is nonsense.	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2015	#171
The game has passed these fools by..	frylock	Sep 2015	#180
"Why do only a tiny number of democrats, & it's incredibly small, appear to consider him electable?"	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2015	#183
Barrack Obama ran a conventional campaign...	brooklynite	Oct 2015	#197
oh, i get it. sanders and biden overide	hopemountain	Sep 2015	#184
I spoke to a Republican today.	wilsonbooks	Sep 2015	#191

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