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What a cruel joke. SamKnause Sep 2015 #1
It's political reality. Politics is ever the art of the possible, the art of the next best... stevenleser Sep 2015 #7
The subtext is that Hillary *is* electable. Based on her rather significant net negatives I LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #82
Hillary's negatives are a concern. But Sanders starting at -50% is a sure loser. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #89
Sanders is not at -50%, as you know LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #93
He's absolutely at -50%. As soon as the video ad runs which we all know is coming... stevenleser Sep 2015 #107
And Bernie will smile, own the lable, and tell people just what it means LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #119
Link to poll showing Sanders at -50% frylock Sep 2015 #173
yes, Hillary is electable based on her good work and committment to the people. riversedge Sep 2015 #156
Based on her high net negatives, a lot of people disagree LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #158
It's just planting a seed. NorthCarolina Sep 2015 #23
Indeed. And many of those same people have Wall St ties. raouldukelives Sep 2015 #34
Well said, Thanks... haikugal Sep 2015 #87
It was cruel of the Founders not to give the President full powers treestar Sep 2015 #104
This. Skidmore Sep 2015 #154
This is the primary process and voters can support a candidate for any reason they want Gothmog Sep 2015 #142
But that's just it ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #181
Welcome back my friend Gothmog Sep 2015 #185
Good to be back ... I think! ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #188
They certainly can. And if they choose more of the same, they'll get more of the same Armstead Sep 2015 #182
you realize you're probably going to be alerted by the Bernie's for a "disruptive, hurtful, rude,... Bill USA Sep 2015 #192
"My concern is him being able to win the support he needs in Congress." Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #2
Mom n Dad coming home to say the party is over wins no fans JackInGreen Sep 2015 #5
Not at that moment. But when the kids become adults they appreciate the levelheadedness in hindsight stevenleser Sep 2015 #8
They don't endorse him because he is fighting to end their gravy train of campaign donations. Dustlawyer Sep 2015 #19
At least you acknowledge he gets no support in congress. That should be the end of his candidacy stevenleser Sep 2015 #30
no, the end of your candidacy is when the people find you untrustworthy virtualobserver Sep 2015 #39
Then that should be Sanders. He is promising things he knows he cannot deliver. And you all know it. stevenleser Sep 2015 #53
Man it is getting deep around here! I need my BS waders on hueymahl Sep 2015 #69
the victim mentality of the DNC virtualobserver Sep 2015 #92
Replace victim with reality and you have it. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #113
you are at peace with your powerlessness virtualobserver Sep 2015 #117
I hope I never get so cynical that I would ever give up and accept that America will Dustlawyer Sep 2015 #147
With an attitude like that why vote? Kilgore Sep 2015 #168
Exactly what things is Hillary going to get Republican votes to pass? LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #96
That's not the question. She's not the one promising to be transformative or different. stevenleser Sep 2015 #112
When you claim Sanders can't get anything to pass, it is the question. jeff47 Sep 2015 #130
Sanders has been in Congress for a long time with no significant legislation to his credit Gothmog Sep 2015 #144
Actually, he does have significant legislation to his credit jeff47 Sep 2015 #152
What is that legislation? Gothmog Sep 2015 #159
You could find it if you were actually looking instead of repeating talking points jeff47 Sep 2015 #162
"She's not the one promising to be transformative or different." cyberswede Sep 2015 #163
Why? daleanime Sep 2015 #41
You mean besides that he would be a completely ineffectual President as a result? nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #51
Great framing, but obviously no, why should we.... daleanime Sep 2015 #64
Yes he would and you admitted it. What is the disconnect here? stevenleser Sep 2015 #66
Yeh, we need a supportive congress, like Obama had. Oh wait.... HERVEPA Sep 2015 #78
No, I admitted what my question was... daleanime Sep 2015 #80
You are seriously confused kristopher Sep 2015 #127
You may be correct if only congress critters were allowed to vote. NorthCarolina Sep 2015 #84
+1! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #109
Not even close! We will be behind him as he uses the Bully Pulpit like never before! Dustlawyer Sep 2015 #141
While the contest continues it really doesn't matter who wins if Democrats don't control congress. olegramps Sep 2015 #56
People also felt that Americans would not vote for a black man. thesquanderer Sep 2015 #111
I don't any knowledge of such polls. I would appreciate if you would refer to them. olegramps Sep 2015 #167
Here's some numbers... thesquanderer Sep 2015 #172
Perhaps as we move closer to election time the same will happen for Sanders. olegramps Oct 2015 #198
So you believe that Sanders literally stands alone in being against the plutocracy? mythology Sep 2015 #125
Congress and others stick with who's "comfortable," another word for status quo. Who's "comfortable" ancianita Sep 2015 #155
YES! smilingwen Oct 2015 #196
Like Hillary Clinton will ANY COOPERATION from Republicans. 99Forever Sep 2015 #68
Maybe they fear the DNC, so some ejbr Sep 2015 #74
How many Republican endorsements does Hillary have? LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #76
Oh hell, don't get your panties in a wad, pocoloco Sep 2015 #118
So, Democrats in congress won't support him? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #135
But he'll make a lot of speeches and pound the table. That'll get stuff done. bluestateguy Sep 2015 #136
Yeah that cuts right through the propaganda workinclasszero Sep 2015 #170
This Texas voter thinks the same and has been asking for months why anyone should chance uponit7771 Sep 2015 #3
I actually hope he would do less than Hillary.......less damage. yourout Sep 2015 #20
how are dems supposed to react to wingerish Hillary hate!? uponit7771 Sep 2015 #22
Is your coding broken? Your response had nothing to with the post LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #99
If all that can be done is cuss and give out shit...I'll take that over waffling and echoing Armstead Sep 2015 #28
If this is the case, then what significant piece of legislation did he get through Congress? Gothmog Sep 2015 #145
VA authoriation bill, adding comunity clincs to Obamacare... Armstead Sep 2015 #153
No, it wasn't the Obama "was naive".... daleanime Sep 2015 #44
I do believe that he had hope that he could reason with the radicals. olegramps Sep 2015 #75
Very possible.... daleanime Sep 2015 #86
1. veto power 2. bully pulpit 3. have masses of people at his back ready and willing to do what it magical thyme Sep 2015 #58
Only Hillary can tame Washington. Yeah, that's it. Scuba Sep 2015 #4
Every Repub in the House would hold up each vote against a Prez Sanders as a badge of honor stevenleser Sep 2015 #6
Every GOP in House would also hold a vote against a Prez Clinton as a badge of honor Armstead Sep 2015 #11
YES!!! n/t haikugal Sep 2015 #91
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Sure. Make sure you take 50% of the electorate for the Republican into account up front. stevenleser Sep 2015 #13
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Sure. Hillary carries the entire Obama coalition plus an additional 10% of the Latino vote and an stevenleser Sep 2015 #25
Hillary carries the entire Obama coalition PADemD Sep 2015 #59
Anecdotal one-offs by anonymous internet users does not prove anything. stevenleser Sep 2015 #63
Riiight. Those polls. hueymahl Sep 2015 #72
Agree. (nt) PotatoChip Sep 2015 #83
Minus me and a whole lot of others. Autumn Sep 2015 #124
Are you stating that you will not support the Democratic nominee? Gothmog Sep 2015 #146
Did you read my post and the post I responded to? If you read it you know exactly what I said and Autumn Sep 2015 #193
So she carries the entire coalition that voted against her in 2008. jeff47 Sep 2015 #133
Fox math frylock Sep 2015 #174
50%.... daleanime Sep 2015 #46
Nope, 50% will not vote for a Socialist so Sanders is down that much before we start. stevenleser Sep 2015 #48
Would that have been 50% 5 years ago? daleanime Sep 2015 #70
Yes. Dislike of Socialists has been pretty steady for the last 10 years or so. stevenleser Sep 2015 #88
That's this year's...... daleanime Sep 2015 #94
Good thing Bernie is a Democratic Socialist then LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #114
we shouldn't vote out of fear of a republican backlash in Congress bigtree Sep 2015 #24
We should always vote taking all realities into account including this one. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #26
The realities that have produced a totally dysfunctional congress.... daleanime Sep 2015 #57
There are tons of realities I don't like either. They are still realities. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #61
And we should work toward changing them? daleanime Sep 2015 #65
Sure. It will be Jan 2023 at the earliest before we can get a Democratic congress. stevenleser Sep 2015 #71
If we don't start it will take forever..... daleanime Sep 2015 #81
They'll do the same with any vote against Bettie Sep 2015 #29
Exactly what I said. And therefore there is no point to Sanders' candidacy. stevenleser Sep 2015 #31
So, we should all Bettie Sep 2015 #35
Nope. Assuming all Democrats will not be able to accomplish much, we have a perfectly acceptable stevenleser Sep 2015 #50
No point in even having a primary then Bettie Sep 2015 #73
I love it when the best you can say about your candidate is hueymahl Sep 2015 #79
If he has hundreds of thousands of people calling, writing and faxing congress he can. Qutzupalotl Sep 2015 #60
This is false on its face, Sanders supporters act like there was no Obama movement of any issue uponit7771 Sep 2015 #187
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2015 #186
On what issues/votes are Republicans going to side with President Clinton? LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #103
Easy... freebrew Sep 2015 #131
You are spot on, which is why they can never answer this question LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #132
There is zero point to a Sanders candidacy. workinclasszero Sep 2015 #195
Hillary represents more of the same. zomgitsjesus Sep 2015 #9
There is zero hope for change from a Democrat until Jan 2023. The GOP controls the House stevenleser Sep 2015 #15
That in a nutshell is why the USA is so fucked up Armstead Sep 2015 #10
It's mind boggling isn't it? And the people on this thread that think A Simple Game Sep 2015 #21
+1,000,000,000 donf Sep 2015 #102
They are correct on both counts. DanTex Sep 2015 #14
I am not a socialist. I'm a fair capitalist. NYCButterfinger Sep 2015 #16
Iowa Democrats??? Gamecock Lefty Sep 2015 #17
Jonathan Allen is in the Hillary Camp. He wrote a book NorthCarolina Sep 2015 #33
The resurgence of Hillary? frylock Sep 2015 #175
I'm in Iowa Bettie Sep 2015 #36
Oh okay Honeylies Sep 2015 #27
This is actually just another Vote For Hillary!!! OP. Trying to dishearten or whatever. djean111 Sep 2015 #37
Bingo! Armstead Sep 2015 #40
Bingo. Hillary "tames Washington" by just going along with Republicans on War, Banks, Oil... MindfulOne Sep 2015 #110
add +1 to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt antigop Sep 2015 #32
A large number of people have concerns about the viability of Sanders in the general election Gothmog Sep 2015 #148
add "+1" to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt antigop Sep 2015 #151
Ignoring is bliss --for a while. riversedge Sep 2015 #157
Does everyone remember FlaGranny Sep 2015 #38
At one point Bill Clinton was considered "unelectable" too Armstead Sep 2015 #42
Who could forget how electable Kerry was supposed to be? frylock Sep 2015 #176
Really? pinebox Sep 2015 #43
Here's how it works. Javaman Sep 2015 #45
A little more complicated than that... Armstead Sep 2015 #49
oh of course... Javaman Sep 2015 #52
"TAME Washington"??? Are you Kidding? fredamae Sep 2015 #47
Problem is angrychair Sep 2015 #54
Problem is, if he can't work with Congress there is no working for you. leftofcool Sep 2015 #67
no system is perfect angrychair Sep 2015 #121
Are you suggesting that Clinton bvf Sep 2015 #122
So President Obama shouldn't have been re-elected artislife Sep 2015 #139
Ever More Bernie Bashing By Establishment Democrats cantbeserious Sep 2015 #55
I essentially agree with those folks redstateblues Sep 2015 #62
The contest to win is control of the congress, both houses. Period. olegramps Sep 2015 #108
todays "bernie is great but he can't win" meme brought to you restorefreedom Sep 2015 #77
Otherwise known as "being the best person for the job is not important" meme. Look, a squirrel! GoneFishin Sep 2015 #100
but they're so cute! restorefreedom Sep 2015 #116
They are frickin' cute. That one especially. GoneFishin Sep 2015 #137
How many is some? Geronimoe Sep 2015 #85
That's understandable considering there have been no debates fbc Sep 2015 #90
Klearman is a tool of the fascists PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #95
Elizabeth Warren ELECTABLE. Bernie not so much. lobodons Sep 2015 #97
What about a Sanders/Warren ticket? (n/t) thesquanderer Sep 2015 #115
They scream Socialist Socialist Socialist for every Democrat. jeff47 Sep 2015 #134
No candidate is ever guaranteed of winning. If you like him then vote for him or not. But this GoneFishin Sep 2015 #98
I think you're going to see a lot of older women (50+) voting for HRC and younger women WI_DEM Sep 2015 #101
WA state here artislife Sep 2015 #140
They would be 100% correct. moobu2 Sep 2015 #105
Misleading title. kenfrequed Sep 2015 #106
If Bernie Sanders is the nominee we'll have a Republican president moobu2 Sep 2015 #123
No kenfrequed Sep 2015 #129
If the GOP win in 2016, the SCOTUS will be an arm of the GOP for a generation Gothmog Sep 2015 #150
That is in no way a response to what I wrote. kenfrequed Sep 2015 #161
Your post was based on the flawed premise that there are no consequences if Sanders loses Gothmog Sep 2015 #165
You just lied kenfrequed Sep 2015 #189
Read post 124 on this thread Gothmog Sep 2015 #190
You accused me of supporting a republican kenfrequed Sep 2015 #194
"Klearman plans to caucus for Clinton in February" left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 #120
couldn't/wouldn't/shouldn't. Their concern has been duly noted. Hiraeth Sep 2015 #126
Well bless their little hearts, they are worrying for naught. Autumn Sep 2015 #128
The concern is backwards AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #138
Kick & highly recommended! William769 Sep 2015 #143
Some brain power awakens.... Gloria Sep 2015 #149
What if Bernie Sanders wins the Iowa Caucus INdemo Sep 2015 #160
A Sanders victory in Iowa is meaningless according to Nate Silver Gothmog Sep 2015 #166
How can anyone be so sure INdemo Sep 2015 #177
Sanders is not polling well with AA voters and these voters are pragmatic Gothmog Sep 2015 #179
Nate "Sanders has plateaued... again" Silver frylock Sep 2015 #178
Imagine this INdemo Oct 2015 #199
Bernie is a good man Clayton Clay Sep 2015 #164
How come no one ever notices that Hillary is the weakest in the general election polls? jfern Sep 2015 #169
"need to select the candidate that they are most comfortable with"- is nonsense. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #171
The game has passed these fools by.. frylock Sep 2015 #180
"Why do only a tiny number of democrats, & it's incredibly small, appear to consider him electable?" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #183
Barrack Obama ran a conventional campaign... brooklynite Oct 2015 #197
oh, i get it. sanders and biden overide hopemountain Sep 2015 #184
I spoke to a Republican today. wilsonbooks Sep 2015 #191
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