2016 Postmortem

Bubzer

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Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:58 AM

Oct 2015

It really was a good debate. I especially liked that there was very little mud slinging among the candidates. There was still some, but mostly, they stayed on point with talking about the issues.

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CNN debate numbers are in. HRC between 12-15%, Bernie...80-85%. The rest single digit....n/t [View all] monmouth4 Oct 2015 OP

DWS: "Cancel the remaining debates!" HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #1

LMAO! KeepItReal Oct 2015 #23

X2 TheBlackAdder Oct 2015 #28

". . . and no more Christmas, either!" Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #94

Woohooo. Bernie Sanders th people's president. azmom Oct 2015 #2

What do those numbers mean? nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #3

Seconded. Who was asked? How were the questions asked? Online? Some Luntz group? what? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #9

online nt wendylaroux Oct 2015 #26

It means that people think Bernie won the debate handily. Fearless Oct 2015 #30

online voting uponit7771 Oct 2015 #36

People. Fearless Oct 2015 #41

I think it means Bernie supporters are passionate. Cassiopeia Oct 2015 #102

America will see who is for them. onecaliberal Oct 2015 #4

It'll be Jim Webb because...... SQUIRREL!!! cprise Oct 2015 #99

hahahahahah onecaliberal Oct 2015 #104

win Cassiopeia Oct 2015 #109

Do you have a link bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #5

got a link? Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #6

Go to CNN and on the right is the debate info... monmouth4 Oct 2015 #35

Here... Fearless Oct 2015 #43

Thanks, that helped. n/t Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #54

The page is blank. PADemD Oct 2015 #95

Yes... with facebook or as a guest. Bubzer Oct 2015 #98

No, not at all. zentrum Oct 2015 #105

Looks good. LittleBlue Oct 2015 #7

I think they hit the 'guns' topic quicker than she would have wanted. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #21

All things considered, I thought Hillary did pretty well. Bubzer Oct 2015 #101

Where are your numbers coming from? workinclasszero Oct 2015 #8

Where's your link itsrobert Oct 2015 #10

Here... Fearless Oct 2015 #45

That link doesn't work for me itsrobert Oct 2015 #51

The link works...but you have to sign in either as a guest or with facebook. Bubzer Oct 2015 #103

its on CNN which links to their FB poll - link LSK Oct 2015 #11

Google search results in too Catherina Oct 2015 #12

WOW! in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #19

And that's what he needs. More people trying to learn more about him. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #29

And I believe he accomplished that in spite not being able to watch Duckfan Oct 2015 #144

Despite what the pundits think, I think he snared more than undecideds last night. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #167

Are these your numbers or CNN's numbers? in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #13

CNN's.... monmouth4 Oct 2015 #31

CNN's Catherina Oct 2015 #42

Holy Moly! in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #61

Here are Slate's results. Bernie crushing it there too Catherina Oct 2015 #69

But their editors called it for Clinton, lol. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #119

CNN totally ignoring its own poll AND its own focus group. Catherina Oct 2015 #149

ty for getting screen shots questionseverything Oct 2015 #198

74 Years old and he's knockin them out of the park every at bat. Duckfan Oct 2015 #146

Time Magazine Poll - Bernie 74% Catherina Oct 2015 #71

Various poll results Catherina Oct 2015 #73

Just checked in myself tomm2thumbs Oct 2015 #145

Not scientific upaloopa Oct 2015 #14

Just people. Fearless Oct 2015 #47

Lol, that should be her campaign slogan! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #50

It really should be her slogan. After all, truedelphi Oct 2015 #135

Of course: Corporatist Sellouts. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #140

OK. Double Hillary's numbers and cut Bernie's in half. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #88

No poll is... but when they favor our position, we tout them all the same. Bubzer Oct 2015 #110

but it would be if the numbers were flipped in Hillary's favor right? litlbilly Oct 2015 #111

As I predicted, Bernie crushed it! Loved it!...wooohooo! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #15

The Facebook poll? RandySF Oct 2015 #16

CNN facebook poll is ongoing and supports the OP LSK Oct 2015 #20

An online poll? RandySF Oct 2015 #25

online offline past future history LSK Oct 2015 #33

But it's a self-selectingsample RandySF Oct 2015 #38

huh? its a FB poll linked from CNN website LSK Oct 2015 #48

People volunteer themselves to take the poll, basically Scootaloo Oct 2015 #55

I logged in and voted, so can anyone on FB LSK Oct 2015 #56

Exactly RandySF Oct 2015 #60

or anyone on CNN or FB? LSK Oct 2015 #62

it's actually a terrific measure of enthusiasm too ... if a candidate's followers don't bother... tomm2thumbs Oct 2015 #147

So how come her campaign isn't doing that? bluedigger Oct 2015 #90

It's a waste of energy. RandySF Oct 2015 #116

There is no energy in the Clinton campaign votesparks Oct 2015 #130

Yeah! Where's Hillary's camp? Plucketeer Oct 2015 #127

However, CNN isn't the only group to come to similar conclusion... Bubzer Oct 2015 #114

The problem with your logic is that although it might have been manipulated, it seems to agree rhett o rick Oct 2015 #200

The poll has no validity as a representative sample. kwassa Oct 2015 #64

True. And even suposedly representative samples are subjective. Bubzer Oct 2015 #118

True, true polls poll likely voters. zeemike Oct 2015 #150

And you went in knowing you were going to answer "sanders" right away, yes? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #65

You just vote....Yah Bernie bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #63

There is no margin of error because it is unscientific n/t Godhumor Oct 2015 #46

Bwahahaha! in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #67

You clearly don't understand what a margin of error means mythology Oct 2015 #70

Any self-selecting poll is beyond the margin of MEANING. pnwmom Oct 2015 #154

Sure there can! The majority of people who watched the debate thought Bernie won. Bubzer Oct 2015 #169

See my response. It:s totally manipulatef R B Garr Oct 2015 #40

What CNN debate numbers? What are you talking about? kwassa Oct 2015 #17

Go to CNN, on the right are debate links.... monmouth4 Oct 2015 #27

been there, done that, see no debate number links at all. kwassa Oct 2015 #44

The link is above bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #68

and above is where? kwassa Oct 2015 #81

It's an online facebook poll. Not scientific. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #39

that makes sense, because the alleged numbers don't. kwassa Oct 2015 #49

It's a total Bullshit manipulation. R B Garr Oct 2015 #58

From Catherina's post #73: BeanMusical Oct 2015 #96

Not good indicators. All skewed to the internet population. Young Middle class white people. stevenleser Oct 2015 #106

Internet User Demographics BeanMusical Oct 2015 #120

That seems like a fairly even spread of internet users. It's almost like all demographics use it... Bubzer Oct 2015 #125

But Steven is not convinced so how will I be able to sleep tonight? BeanMusical Oct 2015 #134

... Bubzer Oct 2015 #171

Thanks. Yes, as I said, the internet skews white, middle class (and higher income) and young. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #126

Nope. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #132

That is what your post indicates. Did you not read it before posting? nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #133

You're interpreting the data incorrectly. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #137

Really? Here is the relevant data stevenleser Oct 2015 #141

Source? One Man Stands Alone Oct 2015 #155

Source is Beanmusical's #120 above. stevenleser Oct 2015 #156

You were good until you said: Young Middle class white people. What supporting evidence do you have Bubzer Oct 2015 #121

See Bean's #120. Didnt you know this? nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #128

You mean the post that shows a largly evenly distributed demographic among internet users? Yeah. Bubzer Oct 2015 #173

Bernie can only attract young middle class white people. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #139

Heh Bubzer Oct 2015 #174

Not a surprise. We've been saying it all along. Fearless Oct 2015 #18

Let Bernie Be Bernie. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #22

Because of BTTF 2? jfern Oct 2015 #37

Go to CNN on the right are the debate links...n/t monmouth4 Oct 2015 #24

Total Bullshit. I saw the phony manipulation R B Garr Oct 2015 #32

Says the losing side! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #53

Lol, who cares about childish internet games R B Garr Oct 2015 #74

Lol! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #75

It was Lol to watch R B Garr Oct 2015 #78

Hmm... kenfrequed Oct 2015 #161

Hilary did not lose. She has generally gotten good reviews for her performance. StevieM Oct 2015 #131

So people voting doesn't matter, and we should let the handlers decide... got it. Bubzer Oct 2015 #175

I just said that there would be scientifically conducted polls coming out soon and they would StevieM Oct 2015 #184

the focus group i saw was overwhelming for sanders questionseverything Oct 2015 #199

You can't disagree you can only vote for one person! Fearless Oct 2015 #66

Lmao, it was flooded before she started talking. R B Garr Oct 2015 #76

Prove it. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #129

As we used to say in S. TX okasha Oct 2015 #197

I'm thrilled Robbins Oct 2015 #34

Well... kenfrequed Oct 2015 #52

But with the sample survey of people who watched across the country... Duckfan Oct 2015 #153

A facebook poll? itsrobert Oct 2015 #57

Actually, CNN is posting odds of Hillary 70%, Bernie 15% .... kwassa Oct 2015 #59

CNN announced it before the debates and gave bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #72

I can't believe the number of DUers who seemingly don't know the difference between online Metric System Oct 2015 #77

+1000 Starry Messenger Oct 2015 #79

Yup. I'm a BS supporter and I don't take these polls seriously. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #97

And Hillary had her best debate ever = 12-15%. Her rhetoric was tired, old, and sooo 20th century. cpompilo Oct 2015 #80

Republicans are voting in heavy numbers. don't be fooled. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #82

These are the online debate polls I could find--all have Bernie around 75% and Hillary around 17%: tblue37 Oct 2015 #83

Do you have a source for that? JDPriestly Oct 2015 #84

I am 100% committed to Bernie! SoapBox Oct 2015 #85

Oh everybody knows online polls are meaningless unless they are scientific workinclasszero Oct 2015 #86

there's still time Marty McGraw Oct 2015 #89

The poll I voted on - only 1 vote 840high Oct 2015 #92

Just delete cookies, or use a VPN. Piece of cake. whatthehey Oct 2015 #181

Un-huh Plucketeer Oct 2015 #136

You could have stopped at "online polls are meaningless" Bubzer Oct 2015 #176

About like here. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #87

and now we know why dws wants to squash them restorefreedom Oct 2015 #91

I loved Bernie! I thought Hillary did well. I was impressed by O'Malley: never saw him before. C Moon Oct 2015 #93

+1 Bubzer Oct 2015 #177

It's the same on every poll zentrum Oct 2015 #100

The focus groups also. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #107

Interesting that it's zentrum Oct 2015 #113

It was a Fox focus group of Democrats. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #117

Okay, I'll see if i can find it. Thnx. zentrum Oct 2015 #142

Here: HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #143

Thanks. zentrum Oct 2015 #157

I'm thinking' about 10-12 point swing in next round of national polls... Indepatriot Oct 2015 #108

Yes, I think a 10-12 point bump will show up in next polls. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #124

The gender card bothered me too. Especially when it was clear the question was policy based. Bubzer Oct 2015 #178

What's terrible is zentrum Oct 2015 #112

These numbers do not exist.... SandersDem Oct 2015 #115

"If the online polls went the other way, recognize this thread would have been started by BeanMusical Oct 2015 #151

Wow DU is getting pretty lame. ChimpersMcSmirkers Oct 2015 #122

Sanders supporters efforts make FreeRepublic's 'Freeping' seem like kid's play. wyldwolf Oct 2015 #166

Folks are voting with there hearts, but Hillary won this debate hands down with realistic, pragmati kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #123

CNN DEBATE RERUN - Anderson announced the "CNN FACEBOOK DEBATE" CNN told people to vote, in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #138

LOL itsrobert Oct 2015 #148

Did any poll or focus group show Clinton the winner? HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #152

It's actually sad and pathetic Bernblu Oct 2015 #160

Other than FB: BeanMusical Oct 2015 #159

It's CNN's FACEBOOK page and it's real people voting in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #163

Bernie is at 67% at 11 pm; Clinton 15, Webb 15 (Reps must be voting) Liberty Belle Oct 2015 #158

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #162

I don't need a poll to tell... meaculpa2011 Oct 2015 #164

Proving once again Sanders supporters flock to 'freep' online polls wyldwolf Oct 2015 #165

Interesting hypothesis. Particularly given that there were at least 6 polls that agreed. Bubzer Oct 2015 #168

... after allowing people to vote online in polls. wyldwolf Oct 2015 #172

Yet another claim I'm sure you lack evidence for. Feel free to prove me wrong. Bubzer Oct 2015 #179

Show me "at least 6 polls that agreed" with you. wyldwolf Oct 2015 #180

Demanding proof after offering none yourself is not a winning argument. Bubzer Oct 2015 #182

My argument is based on your claim. But here's ONE example from this very thread: wyldwolf Oct 2015 #183

I see nothing as your response. Bubzer Oct 2015 #185

they all say 'online' and 'web' polls! LOL. wyldwolf Oct 2015 #186

Yup, they do. Meaning the majority who actually watched the debate (probable voters) thought he won. Bubzer Oct 2015 #187

no. it means Bernie folks freeped the polls wyldwolf Oct 2015 #188

And once again, you offer a claim without proof. Bubzer Oct 2015 #189

Seems you have a lot of fires to put out this morning. wyldwolf Oct 2015 #190

So instead of providing proof, you provide a distraction. Okay. Bubzer Oct 2015 #191

psst! Another thread has been posted showing Hillary won. Better run now! wyldwolf Oct 2015 #192

Let me guess, on reddit? And you take issues with online polls Bubzer Oct 2015 #193

No, on that progressive darling Salon.com. Second one from them today. wyldwolf Oct 2015 #194

Progressive darling? Seriously? Salon.com is a click-bait site. Always has been and always will be. Bubzer Oct 2015 #196

Unscientific pseudo-polls are widespread and sometimes entertaining, workinclasszero Oct 2015 #170

Every poll I've seen says the same thing AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #195