2016 Postmortem

Warren DeMontague

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55. Thats not the same thing.

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:19 PM

Oct 2015

Im sure there are some bernie people who will complain or otherwise even go so far as to enter ralph nader territory if sanders doesnt get it- and at that point, screw em, i have no patience for that mentality any more so than i did in 2000 (or for the PUMAs in 2008, for that matter)

But you are missing -or ignoring- the central point im observing, here- namely, the personal, emotional over-identification some Hillary supporters have with her- not her positions, not what she stands for- she represents something, i think, in their own lives, payback or vindication or something, and its a valence that would not be filled by any other candidate-- and they have been operating from the get go on the assumption that she is "entitled" to this, it is hers because of.... Whatever. And they will positively, absolutely, come completely fucking unglued if she doesnt get it.

Thats a different situation than the ideological issues-driven reasons why some sanders supporters- wrongly, to my mind- might not support the nominee if it's not him. It's not about "Bernie Sanders" the dude, it's about what he stands for.

With a certain subset of Team Hillary, it most definitely is about HER and GOD DAMMIT ITS HER TURN SHE IS ENTITLED TO IT.

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Why are Sanders supporters so upset (if Sanders crushed it)? [View all] hill2016 Oct 2015 OP

I find the Privitization of our Democracy disturbing. stone space Oct 2015 #1

first, hill2016 Oct 2015 #9

What part of "should" do you not understand? stone space Oct 2015 #16

The whole debate can be watched on YouTube.Who is being denied that right? sufrommich Oct 2015 #50

You tell us to chill demwing Oct 2015 #2

do you have evidence hill2016 Oct 2015 #11

Yes we do, and it been presented here several times - but you miss the point demwing Oct 2015 #21

sure let's discuss the evidence? hill2016 Oct 2015 #22

Nope, I don't particularly like you demwing Oct 2015 #26

Ditto! artislife Oct 2015 #33

As I recall even HC once spoke out against the great rightwing conspiracy Generic Other Oct 2015 #44

I think we safely ignore this OP advice. pennylane100 Oct 2015 #20

Why are all Democratic voters upset about the Benghazi hearings? n/t That Guy 888 Oct 2015 #3

Ahhh. maybe because well-paid M$M shills are liars, saying "Hillary Won!". 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #4

like I said hill2016 Oct 2015 #5

You are right 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #8

ok hill2016 Oct 2015 #15

It does matter Egnever Oct 2015 #27

I think you may have missed my reason why, "it doesn't matter" 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #34

I didn't reply to you Egnever Oct 2015 #35

Why are the Hiilarious ones so desperate? "She won, she won!!!" Memories of 2007 perhaps? peacebird Oct 2015 #6

we're not desperate. hill2016 Oct 2015 #7

Again, just like Miss Inevitable supporters in 2007. And we all KNOW how that turned out. peacebird Oct 2015 #12

"smug and over-confident" ... 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #13

but then hill2016 Oct 2015 #18

"all the great publicity" mmm .. ok 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #37

Or maybe months of DU's Sanders supporters crowing that sufrommich Oct 2015 #51

Probably the same reason that Hillary supporters who are supposedly convinced she's inevitable Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #10

Yes. The memories of 2007 are painful for them, & this appears to be Part Deux. peacebird Oct 2015 #14

Ive sort of assumed from the beginning that she was likely to be the nominee, so Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #24

Seems both side could fit that description Dem2 Oct 2015 #36

Maybe. I only know what i see. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #41

I was told in another post that if I didn't vote for Bernie, a doomsday scenario of sorts Dem2 Oct 2015 #48

I was told by a random guy on the street with a big sign that if I didn't accept Jesus Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #53

As I said, both sides are equally capable of "losing their shit" Dem2 Oct 2015 #54

Thats not the same thing. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #55

I am not missing it I don't think Dem2 Oct 2015 #58

"Conspiracy theory" is an easy gaslighting term. senz Oct 2015 #17

Because Bernie supporters know full well the power of propaganda, history is Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #19

you have so little faith hill2016 Oct 2015 #23

Perhaps you're too young but I well remember the runup to the war with Iraq when the Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #25

Well said Egnever Oct 2015 #28

It's not surprising to me, they do have an inherent conflict of interest but I still find it highly Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #29

Nope not surprising at all really Egnever Oct 2015 #30

Even HC once found them troubling Generic Other Oct 2015 #45

It will not be swept under the rug AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #31

The next debates in this order: CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS and Univision TexasTowelie Oct 2015 #32

He didn't crush it ibegurpard Oct 2015 #38

All this proves is that Bernie supporters loved their guy's performance.... CajunBlazer Oct 2015 #39

Why are Clinton supporters so upset about the email issue (if she did nothing wrong)? frylock Oct 2015 #40

Why aren't more Sanders supporters upset about the email and Benghazi witch hunts Buzz cook Oct 2015 #43

Honestly, I don't care who "won" the debates... pinstikfartherin Oct 2015 #42

"Sprouting"? WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #46

Yes, in fact, it does. Anybody who thinks the corporate media mhatrw Oct 2015 #47

...because they think voters are dumber than they are... brooklynite Oct 2015 #49

I'm not upset Scootaloo Oct 2015 #52

Because we know the media influences people. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #56

I'm not. LWolf Oct 2015 #57