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Jack Rabbit

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108. Even if this is a loyalty oath, I will not sign it; whether it is or isn't, I will not make promises
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 05:14 PM
Oct 2015

I've been watching Mrs Clinton for about a quarter-century now. She's been on my bad side more often than she has been on my good side. I'm tired of getting screwed, and the best thing I can say about the prospect of another New Democrat as president is that New Democrats don't screw us quite as bad as Republicans do.

I'll be 65 in a little more than a year. I'm a veteran. I made some mistakes and got some bad breaks. I'll probably die in poverty. I can deal with that, but I can't deal with the prospect of starving to death in a nation where no one should go hungry so that crooked banks can continue to rob the public and fossil fuel corporations can stay on life support while they poison the air and water and make the planet less habitable and then lie about it. I have major depression, which is probably showing through as I write this, but I didn't forget to take my last night. I don't think you have to suffer from mental illness to be upset about things as they are.

Democrats, that is New Democrats, are as responsible as Republicans for this state of affairs. Ronald Reagan's tenure in the White House was a disaster for America. Banking became the primary "industry" in America and deregulation and privatization took place under the dubious theory that successful businessmen are more rational than the rest of us and that a market regulates itself by nature. The result was mourning in America. We should know by mow that this is nonsense. Those who say they still believe it are either fools or political stooges looking for generous campaign contributions, better known as bribes, from corporate criminals like Legs Dimon and Pretty Boy Lloyd. Perhaps an even greater disaster was when some Democrats, blinded by the glitter and strobe lights of the propaganda from archconservatives about how good things were under Reagan, adopted Reaganomics as their own; they mayu call it something else, but it's still tricle down economics and it's still a failure. We ended up with Wall Street toads like Robert Rubin and Larry Summers pushing Republican policies in Democratic administrations. We got the deregulation of the communications industries, welfare deform and NAFTA. Those are not accomplishments in which any Democrat should take any pride.

We have an America that no New Dealer would recognize as spawning from the America they bequeathed to us. We fight imperialist wars to secure oil for western oil companies, a product we can replace and the sooner the better, widening income inequality and fascist leaders, some even passing a Democrats, who think the Fourth Amendment is dysfunctional and should be ignored. This is an America, and even a world, where bankers fixing interest rates manifests the blessings of liberty and workers organizing a union is subversive, even thuggish, activity.

I am supporting a candidate who very clearly wants to put a stop to this madness and reverse it. I am opposing a candidate who has been at the foundations of changing the Democratic party from a party of the people into Wall Street's go-to guys in government. Her recent populist pronouncements, at odds with her corporate-friendly past, are as murky and unconvincing as the pronouncement by oligarch-controlled media that she "crushed" all of her opponents Tuesday night.

Hillary Clinton is a hard pill for me to swallow. I will not make any promises I can't keep, so at this time I will not promise to vote for her in the general election if she is the nominee of the Democratic Party. I'll probably need every minute of the time between the close of the Philadelphia convention in August 2016 to when I vote on November 8 to make my final decision.

I will promise this: whoever is elected President, even if it is Bernie Sanders himself, then I will be in the streets demanding that the policies and programs he advocates today are enacted.

Today's loyalty oath OP has already been posted PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #1
I guess you won't see this reply, then. MineralMan Oct 2015 #2
Well... quickesst Oct 2015 #129
You're on an internet forum,no one here has the sufrommich Oct 2015 #4
Besides, I simply asked for someone to explain the MineralMan Oct 2015 #8
I've always thought the "logic" to proclaiming sufrommich Oct 2015 #11
Well, in some cases, I'm sure that's true. MineralMan Oct 2015 #20
NAILED IT! brush Oct 2015 #114
Then just stay out of the way RandySF Oct 2015 #53
I've voted for the Democratic nominee since 1980 mcar Oct 2015 #3
You ought to ask clinton supporters. They have relevant experience Scootaloo Oct 2015 #5
How so? I haven't seen a single one say they won't MineralMan Oct 2015 #9
Because that's what they DID. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #105
Those who do not want to vote for the DNC nominee would probably be voting for the GOP nominee, they Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #6
This again? pinebox Oct 2015 #7
I'm not seeing that parallel between Clinton MineralMan Oct 2015 #12
The paralell pinebox Oct 2015 #65
Jennifer Howell NAILS it Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #123
All that and you still haven't said if you will vote for the Dem nominee in the general election brush Oct 2015 #115
I, me, I, me... Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #130
This is the answer to Mineral Man's question. nt betsuni Oct 2015 #141
And my respect for you drops another notch Android3.14 Oct 2015 #10
Well, you have ruined my day, for sure. MineralMan Oct 2015 #15
A good man regrets the loss of the regard of his community Android3.14 Oct 2015 #17
You are not 'my community.' MineralMan Oct 2015 #18
There are varying layers of "community" up to and including the entire human race Fumesucker Oct 2015 #36
No individual on DU is representative of the community of DU. MineralMan Oct 2015 #42
I don't have any problem with the community moderation Fumesucker Oct 2015 #52
That's true. It's only a tiny group that gets timed out. MineralMan Oct 2015 #131
Which "community" do you think you're speaking for? sufrommich Oct 2015 #19
You are good! I like this response — water off a duck's back. brush Oct 2015 #117
Zzzzzzzz. merrily Oct 2015 #13
Have a nice nap. MineralMan Oct 2015 #21
If O'Malley wins, he gets my vote. If Chaffey wins, he gets my vote. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #14
Looking at your avatar, I believe the person MineralMan Oct 2015 #16
I've voted in every election since I was 18 years old and I'm not a young whippersnapper. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #28
You'll be handing the White House to Trump geek75 Oct 2015 #33
That's what they always say in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #45
Thank you! Nedsdag Oct 2015 #76
Exactly! in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #92
Look at me. Look at me. brush Oct 2015 #118
Wellstone, a DOMA voting anti civil rights buster, opponent of basic equality. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #98
Wellstone apologized for that vote Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #113
'You can't have the salad!'.. aidbo Oct 2015 #22
Any republican would be much worse geek75 Oct 2015 #35
+1 OverBurn Oct 2015 #94
It makes no sense to me. Maybe ask a former PUMA to explain it. Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #23
I would have no idea who to ask, frankly. MineralMan Oct 2015 #30
If Hillary has another "Running from Snipers" moment Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #31
I doubt if his message crosses party lines very well at all. MineralMan Oct 2015 #32
This fixation on PUMA's (not you, MM)... yallerdawg Oct 2015 #50
Those PUMAs were disgusting geek75 Oct 2015 #55
No worries! yallerdawg Oct 2015 #66
I'm worried geek75 Oct 2015 #69
Given, Trump is scary, but McCain would've had us up to our asses in war after war . . . brush Oct 2015 #122
PUMAs were practically non existent and in such small numbers sufrommich Oct 2015 #59
Could have been geek75 Oct 2015 #68
Senator Sanders (I-VT) isn't even a Democrat. yallerdawg Oct 2015 #75
I think BS has more cross-party appeal than HRC does thesquanderer Oct 2015 #139
Pictures and a thousand words - edgineered Oct 2015 #24
Here's an explanation, though I don't agree wih it Armstead Oct 2015 #25
I've heard that argument, but it's not logical. MineralMan Oct 2015 #26
No less logical than believing one has to be loyal to a party whose behavior they don't support Armstead Oct 2015 #29
Well stated! CrispyQ Oct 2015 #102
Thanks, but please make sure the while thing is included Armstead Oct 2015 #103
Yeah if that's his/her logic, why post on a board whose purpose is to elect Democrats? brush Oct 2015 #124
that's not what it is for me, mineral man restorefreedom Oct 2015 #27
let me explain this to you TheFarseer Oct 2015 #34
And Donald Trump would be better? geek75 Oct 2015 #37
did you even read my post!? nt TheFarseer Oct 2015 #39
Every word geek75 Oct 2015 #41
I don't remember anyone saying that about Obama TheFarseer Oct 2015 #79
Only slightly better than Trump? geek75 Oct 2015 #82
Same character, same preaching, same loyalty oath. 99Forever Oct 2015 #38
And Trump would be better? geek75 Oct 2015 #40
Welcome to DU. 99Forever Oct 2015 #48
I will not accept a Trump presidency geek75 Oct 2015 #51
Well goodie for you. 99Forever Oct 2015 #57
I know what a Trump is geek75 Oct 2015 #64
Not a single one. 99Forever Oct 2015 #71
Well then you better hope TM99 Oct 2015 #63
I'm voting for Sanders geek75 Oct 2015 #74
Don't recall Hillary supporters saying they won't vote for Bernie if he wins the primary brush Oct 2015 #125
FYI Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #106
Thanks WS. 99Forever Oct 2015 #109
I'd rather vote Green than for a DINO for president Califonz Oct 2015 #43
Glad you clarified geek75 Oct 2015 #47
Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #44
remember 2000 geek75 Oct 2015 #49
Apparently, principles are flexible for you. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #54
Eight long years of Bush geek75 Oct 2015 #62
Gore couldn't even win his home state pinebox Oct 2015 #73
Tennessee has been inundated by extremists geek75 Oct 2015 #77
Gore did win the election, remember. The Nader voters, even though they will jump through . . . brush Oct 2015 #126
Many Nader voters regretted it geek75 Oct 2015 #140
Yep! And history would have been completely different. brush Oct 2015 #142
That's a right wing argument. One of the 99 Oct 2015 #111
And, therefore, Katherine Harris is blameless, right? Jim Lane Oct 2015 #127
Do you think that John Quincey Adams and Tom Paine were stupid? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #86
Al Gore won that election. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #87
It wouldn't have gotten to the Supreme Court if not for Nader. One of the 99 Oct 2015 #112
It wouldn't have gotten to the SCOTUS had voter rolls not been purged of THOUSANDS of voters, or if in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #121
True. One of the 99 Oct 2015 #136
Hillary has already been fooled by the Vast Right Wing conspiracy once Fumesucker Oct 2015 #46
I live in a very blue state, my vote is irrelevent. nt m-lekktor Oct 2015 #56
Bernie Sanders endorsed Bill Clinton in 1996 Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #58
So, you don't think the issues where they differ count? djean111 Oct 2015 #67
Hell, I'm frustrated with the Clintons Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #72
When you say djean111 Oct 2015 #85
But the thing is, Sanders has endorsed EVERY Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #116
You moved the goalposts from "frustrated with Clinton". djean111 Oct 2015 #120
Bernie Sanders has already stated Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #133
Bernie, of course, is free to endorse anyone he wants. djean111 Oct 2015 #134
Yes. Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #135
I will vote for the GE democrat. I like both Bernie and HRC. RKP5637 Oct 2015 #60
My individual vote is irrelevant, thanks to the Electoral College. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #61
I do too, but geek75 Oct 2015 #81
Yeah, that's the danger. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #83
I have a dream where we have direct national elections with instant runoff ballots. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #107
If you're a progressive as many here claim, how does it make any sense Broward Oct 2015 #70
None of us are supporting Hillary over Bernie geek75 Oct 2015 #78
Who's "us?" MoonRiver Oct 2015 #88
These passive-aggressive, Aerows Oct 2015 #80
Never said that geek75 Oct 2015 #84
That wasn't directed at you. Aerows Oct 2015 #96
+1 Absolutely! BeanMusical Oct 2015 #100
Scare tactics are in great form here: sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #89
Who said that? nt LWolf Oct 2015 #90
so you're saying that if any Dem, say, backs the Ros-Lehtinens, Christie, Lieberman, etc MisterP Oct 2015 #91
I will support the Democratic Nominee no matter what Gothmog Oct 2015 #93
It doesn't make any sense. It makes the person who says it sound petulant and immature. Lyric Oct 2015 #95
Can't we wait until after the convention to make nice? JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2015 #97
agree totally, demigoddess Oct 2015 #99
It Truly Is Simple Mineral Man - Some Of Us Do Not Believe That Rhetoric Because We See That cantbeserious Oct 2015 #101
Simply put, I am not a Democrat or a progressive. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #104
Even if this is a loyalty oath, I will not sign it; whether it is or isn't, I will not make promises Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #108
I support Bernie One of the 99 Oct 2015 #110
Incorrect, it isn't about who I'm supporting or the highway it is that I have swallowed my last TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #119
It only works if you are endowed with lots of privilege. McCamy Taylor Oct 2015 #128
It is a scorched-earth mindset reminiscent of Tea Partiers Tarc Oct 2015 #132
Pffft. Forget it. nt Bonobo Oct 2015 #137
re: "I simply can't think of any possible explanation that makes any sense at all." thesquanderer Oct 2015 #138
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