2016 Postmortem

edgineered

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60. All the razzle-dazzle of the primaries means nothing.

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 07:51 PM

Oct 2015

As you said,

And what happens when the "progressive base" no longer has to be placated in the primaries will determine whether or not 2016 will either be relevant or irrelevant.

Especially since our first debate aired some members have been bouncing every conceivable notion that crosses their minds here on DU. They are more determined than ever to find what policies and talking points they are successful with, using this forum as a guinea pig. They are extremely well organized and share strategies, techniques, common goals, etc. This is not a bad thing to do when you want to win. The goalposts will move and the strategies, etc will of course be different going into the general.

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We live in an oligarchy. Clinton/Third Way Dems might ignore it. But that's the truth. [View all] Armstead Oct 2015 OP

Kickin' Faux pas Oct 2015 #1

Clinton/Third way dems support it Robbins Oct 2015 #2

If Hillary were part of an oligarchy, she would be a GOP person: She is in public service lewebley3 Oct 2015 #39

Total fail. Phlem Oct 2015 #40

Even third a grader, could see you just a are blind Sander supporter lewebley3 Oct 2015 #43

What an astute comeback. Phlem Oct 2015 #44

yep that was like someone slipping on ice PatrynXX Oct 2015 #46

My sides are hurting. sgtbenobo Oct 2015 #78

Thanks, it was astute:You probably gave your Sanders poster a kiss lewebley3 Oct 2015 #96

Holy shit you're doubling down? Phlem Oct 2015 #107

I am lewebley3 Oct 2015 #108

I guess life Phlem Oct 2015 #110

Hillary supporters are loyal Dem's, Sanders people are bashers of Dem's lewebley3 Oct 2015 #112

your freaking beyond ridiculous. Phlem Oct 2015 #113

Just telling the truth lewebley3 Oct 2015 #114

Uh huh. I know the truth and what your spewing is grade school material. Phlem Oct 2015 #116

Only GOP congressfolk can do anything about the banksters? AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #51

The GOP are the only ones that can pass a bill: They are the majority: Just a fact! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #56

And the attorney general does the prosecuting AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #62

If the majority wants stop funding to attorney general they can! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #89

They can't even vote for a Speaker Paulie Oct 2015 #69

Again: The GOP are in power, the Dem's are not! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #101

So AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #102

You come off as a low information voter. JRLeft Oct 2015 #99

Funny your post do the same for me: You seem like an ideologue lewebley3 Oct 2015 #100

Amazing the millions they've made fleecing,errr, working for the public good. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #52

They left the White House in debt: They have earned their money by working hard! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #55

Dead broke, no less. 7 years later $100,000,000. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #58

They earned their money after they left White House: lewebley3 Oct 2015 #90

Book royalties donated to charity, iirc. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #91

Good, the Foundation had lot of money to help a lot of people lewebley3 Oct 2015 #92

Mostly it helped the Clintons. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #93

Mosty helped people: Quid pro: Is more GOP tash talk: lewebley3 Oct 2015 #95

The Clintons earned their money: It mostly to helping people lewebley3 Oct 2015 #97

Working hard to get support from the big banks, that is. senz Oct 2015 #104

The Clinton's income was all accounted for on their Taxes! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #111

Yes, they left the White House: Most if not all American's were doing well lewebley3 Oct 2015 #94

The middle class was being gutted Armstead Oct 2015 #105

Not when the Clintons were in office: Bush Gutted middle class! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #109

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #57

"Cut it out" Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #48

If the Oligarchy susvives the 2016 elections. Half-Century Man Oct 2015 #3

We are in a bubble and a crash is in the near future. Democrats better hope it doesn't happen JRLeft Oct 2015 #4

I think that is why the Republicans only have clown candidates. They know it is going to happen LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #9

I think Wall Street and the banksters are pretty much already jwirr Oct 2015 #23

The media will place the blame on the incumbent party and continue to rake millions from JRLeft Oct 2015 #32

If history repeats itself... coolepairc Oct 2015 #41

We now have a bubble and crash economy. I think we can expect to have recessions every few years liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #59

we drop it and it explodes. Vincardog Oct 2015 #6

Oligarchy = Too big to fail. jwirr Oct 2015 #20

You're right. Some are in denial this is the case. Avalux Oct 2015 #5

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #7

Until we fix this problem, all other solutions are at risk. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #8

First step is money out of politics. Until then we are fucked royally. JRLeft Oct 2015 #10

Yes, I agree, but we are stuck because we can't get our reps to stop taking money. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #12

Wall Street owns a large portion of the party, but most voters don't know. JRLeft Oct 2015 #15

Yes. We can't expect people who benefit from the current system to then dismantle it for us. leftupnorth Oct 2015 #16

And then break up the monopoly in media. jwirr Oct 2015 #24

We need to break up the monopolies on just about everything, including energy companies. JRLeft Oct 2015 #29

+1000 nt abelenkpe Oct 2015 #30

The 2nd thing we should do - WE THE PEOPLE take back OUR airways and get the MSM out of the hands in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #66

We need to make it illegal to lie. (Hello Faux News) JRLeft Oct 2015 #67

It use to be unethical for journalists to blatantly lie. Until FAUX NEWS came along. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #68

Thanks to the courts this will require an ammendment. JRLeft Oct 2015 #70

We have the battle of our lives coming. The Corporations have bought us. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #73

And they're not done. They want it all. JRLeft Oct 2015 #75

K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #11

Recommend. nt Zorra Oct 2015 #13

You mean this Clinton? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #14

Low hanging fruit Armstead Oct 2015 #37

Ridiculous. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #17

WTF do you call the ruling class then? JRLeft Oct 2015 #18

An internet myth. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #19

It's a myth to you - not to me. 840high Oct 2015 #21

. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #22

There are 454 people in the House, 100 in the Senate treestar Oct 2015 #87

Hmmm... a couple of Princeton and Northwestern proffessors would disagree with you. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #25

The poster above lives in a bubble. JRLeft Oct 2015 #28

The facts are not strong with that one. TM99 Oct 2015 #31

Yeah - Princeton and Northwestern. Pish. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #33

Those liberal elite universities TM99 Oct 2015 #36

We still have elections treestar Oct 2015 #85

Not really pinebox Oct 2015 #34

Because we all know officials can't be bought. Phlem Oct 2015 #42

Right... kenfrequed Oct 2015 #84

Exactly. A real oligarchy does not have elections: treestar Oct 2015 #86

If Hillary is nominated, 2016 becomes irrelevant to our country's future: oligarchy. DrBulldog Oct 2015 #26

Kicked & Rec'd SoapBox Oct 2015 #27

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #35

Especially the social ones, the oligarchs are masters of social engineering. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #38

And the fact is apparently amusing to some... bvf Oct 2015 #45

Oh, thank goodness I already have that person on ignore. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #61

One suggestion Utopian Leftist Oct 2015 #47

Good point but unfortunately ologarchy is becoming more accurate Armstead Oct 2015 #103

Unfortunately, Thespian2 Oct 2015 #49

Third Way DLC Third Way DLC Third Way DLC Third Way DLC bla bla bla bla bla... RBInMaine Oct 2015 #50

Nope. Oligarchy. Armstead Oct 2015 #65

KnR! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #53

I wonder if the powers that be will allow this kind of change of terms into our textbooks. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #54

There will be no Public Schools left, so no, the kids will get the new propaganda textbooks. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #71

Sadly, I agree. Education is the issue that turned me from Democrat to Independent. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #72

I'm finished with the Democratic party too. The real eye opener for me was when in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #76

I have an autistic son and have watched the school system under the Race to the Top liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #77

Unbelievable. That's outrageous. I would have done the same. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #79

I think they inflate graduation rates by simply passing students through the system. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #80

A mistaken notion of oligarchy should not go into textbooks either treestar Oct 2015 #88

All the razzle-dazzle of the primaries means nothing. edgineered Oct 2015 #60

Of course. It's really a lot easier on yourself to stop thinking of the US as a democracy. frizzled Oct 2015 #63

on the contrary, it pisses me off that we no longer have a democracy and makes me liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #64

This is why the Democratic failed, the stealth libertarians turned them into corporate conservatives Todays_Illusion Oct 2015 #74

Good post OP, I would add that to me anyone urging Democratic to move to the center is TumbleAndJumble Oct 2015 #81

Voting for Hillary is voting for the oligarchy ...IMO. L0oniX Oct 2015 #82

Oligarchy approved. PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #83

They are a part of it--Clinton/Third Way Dems are not ignoring it! CoffeeCat Oct 2015 #98

The Clintons ARE oligarchs -- and the data proves it. senz Oct 2015 #106

Since that is where we live..we have to deal with them at their level. Not by angst but by action! kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #115