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Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
72. Both DOMA and DADT were beneficial in their time.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 10:35 AM
Oct 2015

On DADT, I joined the US Navy in May of 1989. I most painfully recall the interrogation at New Orleans MEPS station.. Are you a homosexual, have you ever engaged in homosexual acts.. and dozens of variations of those questions. I recall checking into Boot camp in Orlando Florida, and being interrogated about it again. Then I recall what was called "the day of truth" in boot camp.. being interrogated and threatened with legal consequences if I was gay, had ever been gay, had ever had gay sex and didn't come clean right then and right there.. and at any time, had I even hesitated in my answers I would have been booted out. DADT fixed that. I'm also glad that DADT is gone now, and that finally those entering the armed forces today will never have to go through that horrendous, embarrassing line of questioning. But in that day.. it was awful. DADT did MUCH to advance our rights. Was it perfect? no. Was it wholly the right thing to do? No. But in the climate of the time, it was a HUGE advancement for us.

DOMA.. I remember the 1970's, when we were finally getting some great progress for the first time in getting acceptance. I recall stonewall. Then, I remember the 1980's. I remember Mr. Larry Hernandez, the first of several people that I personally knew who died from the new gay cancer. I recall just how fast we went from progressing in our acceptance, in our visibility, to suddenly being this hated pariah once again. By the 90's I all too well remember just how much the sentiment against us had grown. I remember the backlash of the Hawaiian attempt to through the courts in Baer v Lewin in 1993. There was most definitely a huge push by the right, and with no small amount of support, to get a constitutional amendment in place declaring that marriage was between 1 man and 1 woman. It wasn't a sure thing for their side (or they would have still gone ahead with it), but it was a VERY possible and VERY real threat of a constitutional amendment, and it did have a LOT of popular support. The compromising and bipartisan passing of DOMA hugely diffused that entire movement making it, if not completely gone, very irrelevant.

So yes, I was very happy for DOMA, and yes, I am quite glad that kind of compromise did much to protect us from something that would have been MUCH worse (a possible constitutional amendment) happening, which would have made all of the advances that our wonderful current president and SCOTUS made possible.. the elimination of DADT and full equality for our people in the armed forces, AND the elimination of DOMA making marriage possible for us.

So, I'm sorry, you are very incorrect, there was a looming threat of something much worse.. a constitutional amendment would NOT have been able to be overturned by the SCOTUS, and it would still be in effect today, and if it had passed and been ratified, today there would be NO marriage for us, and my own marriage would be completely unaccepted by my own country.

I don't think so, she supported Bill Cosby until she couldn't hollysmom Oct 2015 #1
Well, who supports a candidate won't influence my decision. She AGREES with me re sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #3
I don't think she is arrogant, you,I don't know personally, ha ha hollysmom Oct 2015 #5
Like I said, if the agree with ME, they have to be intelligent whether I like them or not! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #8
When have you been referred to as an arrogant, female, on DU? non-lol. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #24
She is garbage in my own opinion rtracey Oct 2015 #32
Would you be surprised to know there are Polanski apologists right here at DU? cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #33
I know, right? demmiblue Oct 2015 #46
well rtracey Oct 2015 #73
I am not a Polanski apologist by any stretch of the imagination... but Whoopi was technically right secondwind Oct 2015 #69
Which is rape. Rape rape. Codeine Oct 2015 #71
you are so wrong rtracey Oct 2015 #74
I am not a Polanski apologist by any stretch of the imagination... AlbertCat Oct 2015 #75
It's not complicated at all...Polanski described how he penetrated the anus msanthrope Oct 2015 #80
I also supported Bill Cosby Till I no longer could! imthevicar Oct 2015 #63
She also told Mitt Romney that she thought she could VOTE for HIM... MADem Oct 2015 #68
High praise from a very intelligent woman. Thank you Whoopi....n/t monmouth4 Oct 2015 #2
K&R nt 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #4
Thank you Whoopie. SoapBox Oct 2015 #6
Agreed. He is smart, and a great voice. Amimnoch Oct 2015 #7
Yeah, he sticks to his principles. I call that 'integrity' not 'inflexible'. Unless you think that sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #10
Only if you believe your JOB is to reach out to Republicans to "get things done". Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #11
It is when they have the majority in congress. Amimnoch Oct 2015 #14
That's the kind of thinking that gave us DOMA.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #16
Both DOMA and DADT were beneficial in their time. Amimnoch Oct 2015 #72
So we only had to have half of a shit sandwich. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #81
very simplistic view. Amimnoch Oct 2015 #82
What I am interested in is a president that doesn't give a DAMN about what Republicans want. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #83
I'm sorry you've been through that kind of treatment. senz Oct 2015 #88
Exactly, thank you! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #17
Part of the President's job is to ensure that some things don't get done. frylock Oct 2015 #21
"even if he did have to give some ground < Over 7 million families thrown into the street, 4 million jtuck004 Oct 2015 #40
It's "too" inflexible. Basic English Ned_Devine Oct 2015 #57
Woo hoo Whoopi!! Great quote! C Moon Oct 2015 #9
Whoopi is a loyal friend, almost to a fault sometimes, mountain grammy Oct 2015 #12
Yes, she doesn't knee-jerk react. But she does 'evolve' when she has enough facts sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #18
Yes, Whoopi is such a genius! zappaman Oct 2015 #13
No ... That was Pre-said something nice about Bernie, Whoopi! ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #25
Are you saying she's "evolved"? zappaman Oct 2015 #26
I have no midea if she evolved because her previous position is irrelevant ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #28
She said "rape" twice mwrguy Oct 2015 #30
Same Whoopi who decided Clinton would be a better president than Obama, too. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #55
The same Whoopi who said what Roman Polanski did wasn't "rape-rape"? tishaLA Oct 2015 #15
Wow Whoopi UglyGreed Oct 2015 #19
Someone has a list here on DU of Bernie's terrible personal characteristics. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #20
No it was UglyGreed Oct 2015 #23
That was the New York Times that reported that, based on BS's own writings on the topic. MADem Oct 2015 #60
Lol, OMG! Aside from the nonsense in the links, all of which failed to do what was intended since sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #64
There is a lot of "nonsense" in the links--and it was all written by Bernie Sanders, back in the day MADem Oct 2015 #65
Yes, that's what Bernie himself said. End of story, bad writing. It shows how little they can sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #66
No--he hasn't commented on these pieces. He was commenting on that dumb "rape fantasy" essay MADem Oct 2015 #67
We've already added this one to the list of terrible things we did know about Sanders, he's a sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #78
Wow, I read the links Bernie wrote in a downthread post dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #76
He's never had a bad appearance anywhere for the 3 decades I've been blm Oct 2015 #22
No, never. He has been superb in every appearance I've seen. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #34
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #27
She is spot on. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #29
The fact of the matter is that this was neither an endorsement or a hope..... Sheepshank Oct 2015 #31
Bernie's list of endorsements from people like this, is now so long sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #35
Uh huh. zappaman Oct 2015 #38
and she wasn't reasonable or pleasant when she dismissed ('DISSED') reference to Martin O'Malley. elleng Oct 2015 #37
Imagine! zappaman Oct 2015 #39
I thought so too but she pissed me off when she dismissed a reference to Martin O'Malley. elleng Oct 2015 #36
K&R. We love Whoopi and Bernie. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #41
Most of us do! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #42
The usual suspects sure didn't waste any time hifiguy Oct 2015 #44
Anyone who supports Bernie goes straight under the bus. No matter who it is. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #50
From your keyboard to the ears of the FSM and Princess Celestia, sabrina! hifiguy Oct 2015 #52
Not in today's world, it can't. But hey, leave them in the dark, we tried to warn them sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #54
No matter how many times Molly Ivins lectured people hifiguy Oct 2015 #56
She is sadly missed. But I think I am going to start promoting the Establishment polls sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #58
Lurves me some Bernie, but Whoopi is an arsehole. demmiblue Oct 2015 #43
But when she's right, she's right! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #45
I don't care what she thinks. demmiblue Oct 2015 #47
What am I trying to do, other than promote MY candidate. She IS right, if she had been wrong sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #48
What you always try to do. Though I usually like and respect your posts. n/t demmiblue Oct 2015 #49
Still don't know what that means! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #51
Whoop! Whoop! Whoopi! Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #53
AND she played my favorite character on Star Trek TNG a2liberal Oct 2015 #59
She probably tells a lot of people the same thing. moobu2 Oct 2015 #61
Feel free to post some links. n/t sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author NurseJackie Oct 2015 #70
Well, she could have slammed him if her opinion wasn't what she stated, she's not at all sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author NurseJackie Oct 2015 #79
Does the word 'endorsed' appear anywhere in the OP? sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #85
This message was self-deleted by its author NurseJackie Oct 2015 #86
Don't always agree with her romanic Oct 2015 #84
First time I saw Whoopi senz Oct 2015 #87
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