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grahamhgreen

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84. One could say the same thing about our current plan - "degrade and defeat ISIS", a plan that is not
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 08:51 PM
Oct 2015

working.

Bernie does not (unfortunately) intend to leave. What he's saying is that the local countries should have skin in the game:

"SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I), VERMONT: Well, Candy, I think the main point being made is of course ISIS is a brutal, awful, dangerous army and they have got to be defeated. But, Candy, this is not just an American problem. This is an international crisis. This is a regional crisis. And I think the people of America are getting sick and tired of the world and the region, Saudi Arabia and the other countries saying hey, we don't have to do anything about it. The American taxpayer, the American soldiers will do all the work for us.

Most people don't know is that Saudi Arabia is the fourth largest defense spender in the world, more than the U.K., more than France. They have an army which is probably seven times larger than ISIS. They have a major air force. Their country is run by a royal family worth hundreds of billions of dollars.

CROWLEY: Sure. But they have shown no sign at all that they want to go in and neither have the Jordanians although they seem a little more interested or the Turks. And so I'm just wondering since everyone agrees there needs to be ground forces of some sort that are effective, whether if those Arab nations don't step forward as you want them to do and come in on the ground, does the U.S. then pull out its air strikes? I mean, how would -- how do you handle that?

SANDERS: Well, here's -- the question that question that we have got to ask is why are the nations in the region not more actively involved? Why don't they see this as a crisis situation?

Here's the danger, Candy. If the Middle East people perceive this is the United States versus ISIS, the West versus East, Christianity versus Islam, we're going to lose that war. This is a war for the soul of Islam and the Muslim nations must be deeply involved. And to the degree that developed countries are involved, it should be the U.K., France, Germany, other countries as well."

War is only bad when Republicans are in the White House.[n/t] Maedhros Oct 2015 #1
Bernie just said NOTHING AllTooEasy Oct 2015 #27
Well, I expect Bernie would not go on television and gloat "We came, we saw, he died." Maedhros Oct 2015 #32
lol, no comparison. Bernie is the real deal! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #52
Absolutely - he is a gentle man. 840high Oct 2015 #79
"how little he/she is willing to give up to avoid war"? You must agree fighting the Iraq war cost us grahamhgreen Oct 2015 #42
Absolutely! tecelote Oct 2015 #49
There are often options between diplomacy and war. RichVRichV Oct 2015 #67
I keep waiting for Clinton to make a speech like this. mhatrw Oct 2015 #83
I believe it's wrong to conflate the positions dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #90
Projection? It certainly not based on fact. nt artislife Oct 2015 #99
War is good when either party is in. Think of the dividends on the MIC stock. Think of LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #29
War certainly does pay high dividends. tecelote Oct 2015 #105
Yes, that is the sad fact we have learned siince Bush left the WH. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #107
OK, #mistakesweremade MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #2
LOL!!! Fawke Em Oct 2015 #34
... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #45
Kicketty Kickin' Faux pas Oct 2015 #3
Greatest Page for this important story. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2015 #4
If moral superiority is what you are looking for... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #5
You got me there. There is a lot I like about Martin. tecelote Oct 2015 #13
I think the democrats have an amazing field. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #20
This is one of the things I am worried about... ion_theory Oct 2015 #61
That's why I'm voting for a diplomat. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #6
Oh, hello, there. MineralMan Oct 2015 #9
His policy on drones: Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #108
Diplomat? Fawke Em Oct 2015 #35
Funny, that. bvf Oct 2015 #39
The "diplomat" that voted to... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #48
Was she being "diplomatic" when she stabbed her Party in the back and switched sides to help rhett o rick Oct 2015 #104
I couldn't sleep... bvar22 Oct 2015 #7
Didn't Bernie say he supports keeping troops in Afghanistan? nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #8
Why, yes, he did, along with drones and MineralMan Oct 2015 #10
Bernie differentiates between wars of defense, wars to end ethnic cleansing JDPriestly Oct 2015 #51
"Keeping drones as an option" = "continuing the exact same policy" to dishonest people n/t arcane1 Oct 2015 #55
People killed under a Skidmore Oct 2015 #72
Interesting question mcar Oct 2015 #88
Crickets sheshe2 Oct 2015 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author misterhighwasted Oct 2015 #100
No one expects a perfect candidate. We're mostly just looking for one that looks out for our RichVRichV Oct 2015 #59
Bernie would only use drones for good redstateblues Oct 2015 #103
LOL!! Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #106
A President in defense of our country goes to war upaloopa Oct 2015 #11
So, the beat goes on. tecelote Oct 2015 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author misterhighwasted Oct 2015 #21
I didn't realize Libya and Syria were attacking us. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #74
You have a very little window of knowledge upaloopa Oct 2015 #75
And were you defending your country? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #77
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #14
How can you justify giving control of SCOTUS to the GOP for a generation? Gothmog Oct 2015 #15
A. Don't give me a corporate warmonger in the general, but if you do, then Fawke Em Oct 2015 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author misterhighwasted Oct 2015 #16
I just wanted you to know, someone read your well articulated response Sheepshank Oct 2015 #22
Thank you, Mister. sheshe2 Oct 2015 #24
Here you go passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #30
I do appreciate your well thought out response. tecelote Oct 2015 #31
His plan is to make the Sauds and the locals fight the fight that is in their own backyard. Sound OK grahamhgreen Oct 2015 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author misterhighwasted Oct 2015 #71
One could say the same thing about our current plan - "degrade and defeat ISIS", a plan that is not grahamhgreen Oct 2015 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author misterhighwasted Oct 2015 #93
Well said n/t Spazito Oct 2015 #73
JUSTIFY WHAT? BootinUp Oct 2015 #17
Being a hawk. tecelote Oct 2015 #23
In my opinion BootinUp Oct 2015 #26
There's gonna be a revolution, yeah you know, we all want to change the unequal systems to Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #18
Justify what? Being a diplomat? leftofcool Oct 2015 #19
No. tecelote Oct 2015 #25
She's about as diplomatic as Netanyahu. eom Fawke Em Oct 2015 #38
Surely not Hillary. 840high Oct 2015 #81
How can Bernie supporters justify him voting for Mass Incarceration? bravenak Oct 2015 #28
Tell me about it. tecelote Oct 2015 #33
They both are terrible on it. Both made bad choices for expediency's sake. bravenak Oct 2015 #41
I like O'Malley. tecelote Oct 2015 #43
I do not think there will be any major shift in support without a major event. bravenak Oct 2015 #46
That does worry me. Bernie is building such energy though. tecelote Oct 2015 #56
I think it is the way the system is set up. bravenak Oct 2015 #58
Bernie Sanders is not a pacifist. He said so himself. PBass Oct 2015 #36
Yes. He's not perfect. tecelote Oct 2015 #40
I am not a pacifist, but these wars are stupid. grahamhgreen Oct 2015 #44
Well, you must have missed her standout performance at the Benghazi hearings. Broward Oct 2015 #50
Why do Hillary supporters have to justify this? Gman Oct 2015 #53
Because Bernie is losing and his supporters are running out of things to.... Walk away Oct 2015 #85
He has voted for military action more than once. As far as the dipomatic solutions he voted against Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #54
I think you're confused. RichVRichV Oct 2015 #78
Wilfully and intentionally confused though rather than actually befuddled. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #87
Bernie Sanders is the same person who has been a member of Congress since 1991. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #95
Where did that come from? RichVRichV Oct 2015 #97
I don't really think that I have to justify anything BlueMTexpat Oct 2015 #57
IWR, no biggie. Let bygones be bygones. Broward Oct 2015 #60
She was hardly the only Dem BlueMTexpat Oct 2015 #62
As stated in post #40, "he's not perfect", dont expect Hillary to be perfect either. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #96
She's come a long way? Maedhros Oct 2015 #89
anti Hillary screed ??????????????????????? olddots Oct 2015 #92
I don't have to justify shit to you. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #63
You just justified shit to me. tecelote Oct 2015 #65
How does Sanders justify his votes in favor of funding wars? SunSeeker Oct 2015 #64
Look to post #59 tecelote Oct 2015 #68
So jobs in Vermont is his justification? SunSeeker Oct 2015 #70
You act like politicians don't partake in pork. RichVRichV Oct 2015 #80
Every war we engaged in since WWII was a "war of aggression." SunSeeker Oct 2015 #101
Then why did Sanders' repeatedly vote to fund the war, including support.... George II Oct 2015 #66
Look to post #59 tecelote Oct 2015 #69
Got it. Sanders is being hypocritical. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #102
Obama says he would have voted against the war and yet he voted for funding. Do you think that Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #82
Irrelevant - this is about Clinton and Sanders. Post a new OP about Obama if you want. George II Oct 2015 #86
Because, well, uhm, seem, that is... LOOK! WHITE DUDES WEARING FEDORAS! Scootaloo Oct 2015 #76
A question for those who blame Hillary okasha Oct 2015 #91
If Sanders doesn't pull out all foreign troops on day one... brooklynite Oct 2015 #98
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