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I agree!!! Stop the bull. bravenak Oct 2015 #1
I mean, tell the truth Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #2
Not that hard to me. Just explain it and say she was wrong. bravenak Oct 2015 #3
Hey, I have no problem with that. I remember when she supported DOMA. She was wrong. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #80
Exactly. bravenak Oct 2015 #81
I remember the vote and everything surrounding it marym625 Oct 2015 #4
If you are to be fair, you should ask people to read THIS as well: MADem Oct 2015 #5
Here's the problem Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #6
You might want to examine post 7 before you toss out the L word like that. MADem Oct 2015 #14
Bill Clinton won by over 8% over Bob Dole, and given the presence of Ross Perot as spoiler LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #9
And the polls showed Bill up more than that jfern Oct 2015 #10
Looks like he took a dip. LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #12
Clinton received 66% of the LGB vote in '96 Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #16
Exactly. nt LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #26
Not true. Bob Dole was the FIRST CO-SPONSOR of the bill. MADem Oct 2015 #11
Probably fired up some Southern homophobes Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #13
I have never denied that he took a bad situation that he was crammed into, and made hay with it. MADem Oct 2015 #19
You are the one rewriting history LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #15
You wrongly assume that everything would have remained static had he vetoed that bill. MADem Oct 2015 #20
Why? Because Clinton's top adviser, Dick Morris said he had to go totally 3rd way jfern Oct 2015 #23
Dick "Toe Sucker" Morris? You do realize that he is a bloated wastrel with absolutely zero MADem Oct 2015 #25
He was Bill Clinton's top political adviser for most of 1996 jfern Oct 2015 #27
DOMA was voted in by people who hated it, because they were reflecting political reality at the time MADem Oct 2015 #33
Voting no on DOMA didn't mean you supported SSM jfern Oct 2015 #35
That is also true. Sanders, for example, stated that his objections had to do with the MADem Oct 2015 #39
Here are some things said by the Democrats who voted NO on DOMA, said in the Congress: Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #57
Senator Robb , son in law of the man who signed the civil rights acts JI7 Oct 2015 #84
Then provide proof LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #24
That's just nonsense. You're acting--again--as though everything is static and not dynamic. MADem Oct 2015 #30
I thought DADT was the most retarded thing at the time in 1993 jfern Oct 2015 #31
I hated DADT for a very different reason. MADem Oct 2015 #34
And you are acting as if you could actually know how things would have went down LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #37
There's no need to be snarky and rude, with your "Crystal Ball" comments. MADem Oct 2015 #41
You didn't provide facts to Clinton losing, you provided opinions and are treating them as facts. LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #43
Given that it is impossible to 'prove' a negative, I guess you think you've made your point. MADem Oct 2015 #75
He did not shut that conversation down, he delayed it until he was safely out of office, amendment Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #58
I know, right? Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #59
How do you change your font and type color? Do you type it elsewhere and copy paste it or randys1 Oct 2015 #76
I use Cascading style sheet tags LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #78
This is what copying and pasting the post will look like LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #79
A couple more useful links LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #82
Thanks, looks like a lot of work, but it is easier to read, for sure. randys1 Oct 2015 #83
Bookmarking this for when I need a splash of color in my post. In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #85
He could have let it pass without signing, wanted a popularity boost instead. n/t cprise Oct 2015 #18
No, he could not have. At least read the links before you comment. MADem Oct 2015 #22
I suppose DADT *and* the post-election homophobe piety were also cprise Oct 2015 #32
The Poles? What do they have to do with this? MADem Oct 2015 #36
Election polls. DADT wasn't linked to them. cprise Oct 2015 #40
Unnnh...DADT happened YEARS earlier. Your facts are out of order. MADem Oct 2015 #42
Which undermines YOUR case cprise Oct 2015 #44
That makes no sense, either. It's just not accurate. "The Clintons?" Good grief. They aren't MADem Oct 2015 #45
In the 90s they repeatedly and explicity sold themselves as a "team", cprise Oct 2015 #46
It's not PEDANTIC to note that a military instruction is not a law. That's something called a FACT. MADem Oct 2015 #47
Oh "instruction not law", Pu-pu-pidoop! cprise Oct 2015 #64
You have travelled a long way from the thread topic in order to deliver a MADem Oct 2015 #72
I really hate to defend the Clintons. But a lot of DUers are completely back asswards on DADT. ieoeja Oct 2015 #73
Until what year did Clinton defend DOMA? MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #54
Amicus brief from Senators Bill Bradley, Tom Daschle and Chris Dodd, Alan Simpson BlueStateLib Oct 2015 #7
And they failed. Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #8
2013 amicus brief from people that were part of the 1996 doma debate should know BlueStateLib Oct 2015 #17
Easy to do an amicus brief to CYA Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #21
Exactly. And I made my post before I read yours. merrily Oct 2015 #29
That's my take on it as well. Bohunk68 Oct 2015 #48
A cover story is not necessarily reality. merrily Oct 2015 #28
Daschle and Co. Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #65
Family Values, Dick Morris, Triangulation, School Uniforms, VChips, Armstead Oct 2015 #38
By far the most right-wing campaign a Democrat ran since at least 1924 jfern Oct 2015 #77
funny.... every single LGTB person I know Florencenj2point0 Oct 2015 #49
Not the ones I know! merrily Oct 2015 #51
Meet my gay housekeeper -- he hates Hillary Hepburn Oct 2015 #56
I'm gay and I know one gay Hillary supporter. The rest are for Bernie, one or two with great Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #60
Hillary just needs to stop. Period. bigwillq Oct 2015 #50
It just pisses some people off that the vast majority of minorities love them some Hillary. nt LexVegas Oct 2015 #52
Trust me... Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #55
What bothers me is the lack of respect for and accurate recounting of the history of those times. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #61
+10 Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #62
I'm also puzzled by her need to do the bullshit, I could craft many answers for her that would have Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #66
Be honest about it...I mean Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #67
Yep portlander23 Oct 2015 #53
K&R CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #63
Congenital liars. nt FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #68
God that's a sad read ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #69
that and Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #70
Yes indeed ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #71
Good post, solid source Prism Oct 2015 #74
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