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2016 Postmortem

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CheshireDog

(63 posts)
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:43 PM Oct 2015

Bernie will not repeat Obama's Performance [View all]

I keep seeing these threads comparing Bernie's intrade/poll numbers to Obama at the same point, and clinging to the notion that history will repeat itself. It won't for some very important reasons:

1. Bernie is no Obama. He's a great guy, very impassioned, but he is not the campaigner or orator that Obama is. Obama literally did everything right while running a historical campaign to become to first black president. There is no comparison.

2. Hillary is polling far above where she did in 2008. In Iowa, she was locked in a 3 way race and polls put her, Obama, and Edwards in a dead heat. She's on track to win Iowa this time as there is no other candidate to the right of her (Edwards) to split her vote. I expect her to get at least 55+% in Iowa. This is what launched Obama in 2008. After she wins Iowa its likely she will also win NH

3. The biggest weakness Hillary had in 2008 was running against the first plausible AA candidate. This meant she automatically lost states where AA's made up the majority of Democrats, which is most of the southern states. This time around, minorities are mostly on her side and it will be difficult for Sanders to win any states such as GA, SC, NC, LA, MS, AL, etc.

4. Hillary is much stronger this time around and she is building a ground game beyond 2008.

5. Superdelegates held out in 2008. This time they are overwhelmingly choosing Hillary before the first vote is even cast.

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The argument I hear is that the Youth will revolt Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #1
the youth hill2016 Nov 2015 #3
That is why it is being called a revolution. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #5
And African Americans don't get elected President, historically demwing Nov 2015 #27
Neither do women... brooklynite Nov 2015 #32
No doubt that her chances are great sadoldgirl Nov 2015 #4
If progressives want to protect Social Security, marriage rights, Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #7
But, she herself said she is not a progressive zalinda Nov 2015 #9
So you use the excuse that she would sign bills ending these programs. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #22
She is no liberal Robbins Nov 2015 #31
she loves reaching across the aisle for that sort of thing.... virtualobserver Nov 2015 #34
Of course Robbins Nov 2015 #35
Yup. Agschmid Nov 2015 #26
Republicans always turn out treestar Nov 2015 #25
Sure they will workinclasszero Nov 2015 #19
I agree with everything you wrote. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #21
Right workinclasszero Nov 2015 #36
Hillary Clinton has also hired all of the key Obama people in Iowa Gothmog Oct 2015 #2
Exactamundo. (eom) oasis Nov 2015 #6
No, Bernie will not repeat Obama's performance: Flying Squirrel Nov 2015 #8
^^^Totally This!^^^ SoapBox Nov 2015 #10
Of course not, Bernie will stick to his principles. Always has, always will. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #11
He will not follow Obama as president so no he will not repeat Obama's performance. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #12
Well, yes there is a comparison Samantha Nov 2015 #13
Bernie isn't even "acting". His record/resume is Better! MasonDreams Nov 2015 #14
Well I hope not, one of the first things he did was negotiate a deal with "Billy" ... slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #15
Obama: Billy slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #16
You are right workinclasszero Nov 2015 #17
I think it is funny that people accept a politician doing an about face and just dismiss their words slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #20
Bernie voted for the ACA. LuvLoogie Nov 2015 #33
How Big Pharma's Billy Tauzin conned the White House out of $76 billion. slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #18
Reminds me of what they say about opinions... 99Forever Nov 2015 #23
+1 treestar Nov 2015 #24
It is rarely a good idea to make political predictions. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2015 #28
I see Clinton Supporters are at it again Robbins Nov 2015 #29
Wut? Bobbie Jo Nov 2015 #37
Good. It would great if we had a progressive in the WH rather than another centrist. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #30
Hillary is no Obama either whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #38
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