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MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
44. Again, the distinction is too finely drawn.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:31 PM
Nov 2015

Remember when Sanders said he'd do a "major address" on what Democratic Socialism is? Hasn't happened. US voters are not going to listen to such a speech and will not understand it if they do.

We have a two-party system, and that's it. You're a Democrat or a Republican. Yes, the terms "Socialist" and "Teabagger" are used to call some candidate some negative name. It's guaranteed that whoever the Democratic nominee is, the opposition will try to attach the "Socialist" label to that candidate.

In US politics, the fine points of political philosophy are simply not relevant. Even on DU, we don't agree on terms like "liberal" and "progressive," so they get bandied about as labels willy-nilly. It's ridiculous.

In our elections, we're pretty evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans, with each person understanding those words in a different way. All attempts to draw finer distinctions than that are simply ignored and have no value in a campaign.

We have people here arguing whether Bernie Sanders is actually a Democrat, with some people pretending that it makes any difference at all. It doesn't. Bernie's running for the Democratic nomination. If he gets it he'll be he Democratic nominee, just as Hillary will if she is the nominee. The voters will do as they always do and vote for the Democrat or the Republican.

The rest is excess verbiage. It doesn't matter in any real way. Some people may have time for discussion of such fine distinctions. I do not. There's an election to win about a year from now. There are more important things to be doing, like keeping the Republicans from gaining control of all three branches of federal government. Now that's something worth talking about.

I believe that Hillary has the best chance of beating whichever GOP clown car occupant gets the nod. I think Bernie Sanders is a great guy, but that he cannot win next November. That's why I support Clinton. Nothing else. We must win.

Once elected, whoever wins will be subject to all of the limitations on the President in the Constitution, and those limitations are many and serious. Our Presidents are not able to do what they want without cooperation from Congress. That's why it's so important not to let the regressive party control all three branches. That issue overrides everything else, in my opinion.

So, don't look for me to discuss political nuances. I don't have time for that.

Bern, baby, Bern RobertEarl Nov 2015 #1
What is up with the Quinnipiac University polling firm? Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #2
I don't know that anything is up. MineralMan Nov 2015 #4
OK. Then I agree Sanders should be on the ballot, and any impediments removed. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #7
Unless it is challenged. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #3
Who would challenge it? MineralMan Nov 2015 #6
Not Hillary....thats for sure VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #8
And the SoS could simply dismiss any such challenge. MineralMan Nov 2015 #10
We shall see.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #11
That is a bogus argument, and an ineffective one. MineralMan Nov 2015 #13
What the hell is happening!?! Am I having a stroke? whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #16
Common sense prevails. MineralMan Nov 2015 #18
Yes but, the sad thing is whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #21
Such people are silly. Given the current polling, MineralMan Nov 2015 #40
but a Democratic Socialist is not the same as a Socialist Democrat VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #31
Too fine a distinction for me, really. MineralMan Nov 2015 #34
I am a Socialist DEMOCRAT and so are YOU VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #36
Again, the distinction is too finely drawn. MineralMan Nov 2015 #44
No it isn't really VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #53
Of course I accept Capitalism. MineralMan Nov 2015 #54
then you are a Socialist Democrat...not a Democratic Socialist VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #59
What I am is a Democrat. MineralMan Nov 2015 #62
Right and he is not...by his OWN definition.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #63
You are silly. 840high Nov 2015 #83
For The First Time Ever The Bernie Sanders Campaign Confirms That He Is A Democrat LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #74
Bernie said it? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #80
Harry Reid appointed him as a Democrat to be Ranking Member on the Senate Budget Committee. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #84
As a Democrat...no... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #86
Might direct you to the following: LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #87
And this is from his campaign managers site LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #88
You've won the award for most cryptic allusion JackInGreen Nov 2015 #30
to you tooo....the diff VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #33
I didn't even speak to that JackInGreen Nov 2015 #38
I won't.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #39
... JackInGreen Nov 2015 #42
Not going to happen VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #56
I win the award for being correct. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #57
For The First Time Ever The Bernie Sanders Campaign Confirms That He Is A Democrat LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #73
Has he called himself a Socialist lately? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #75
Has Hillary called herself a Liberal? Last I heard it was Moderate. I could be wrong, I usually am. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #77
She called herself Progressive VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #79
Oh, I remember that now. She did have 4 bills signed to Bernies 3 LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #81
Now....has he disavowed the Socialists yet? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #82
Anyone? really? 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #12
Not a chance. It would take a court case to force the SoS to MineralMan Nov 2015 #14
I was disputing your claim that "anyone" could challenge Bernie's name on NH ballot 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #23
You know, I really don't know the answer to that. MineralMan Nov 2015 #35
That's cool. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #41
Ballot Access law is a strange area Gothmog Nov 2015 #67
Hey, thanks for the info 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #71
That's your wishful thinking.............................................................not gonna djean111 Nov 2015 #29
I am sorry...is that what I said? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #58
Preemptive outrage? NurseJackie Nov 2015 #5
Something like that, yes. MineralMan Nov 2015 #9
Like seeing Bernie upset Clinton in the first four states? Dr. Doolittle Nov 2015 #17
I'm afraid you're going to be very disappointed. MineralMan Nov 2015 #20
... SidDithers Nov 2015 #90
I have ZERO doubt that will happen. If they don't, that would put Hillary Clinton in a bad BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #15
Now compare Bernie's stellar record on issues vs Clinton's record on issues Dr. Doolittle Nov 2015 #19
Yup. He'll be on the ballot to win or lose. MineralMan Nov 2015 #24
Yes, win or lose but fair and square. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #27
Exactly. MineralMan Nov 2015 #28
LOL! The state parties are giving out only Hillary buttons, etc. merrily Nov 2015 #49
Which states are doing that? Do you have links I can visit? MineralMan Nov 2015 #51
People come to the state party for materials. If the party merrily Nov 2015 #55
My question remains unanswered. Which states are doing what you claim? MineralMan Nov 2015 #60
Most state parties have the materials given to them by the candidates LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #76
Okay, I said I would not kick this thread again. But, for you--in at least one state, every other merrily Nov 2015 #78
Why wouldn't they? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #22
I can't imagine. MineralMan Nov 2015 #25
Possibly the worst thing to happen for his die-hard DU supporters. randome Nov 2015 #26
Oh, my! A shot at the age card. djean111 Nov 2015 #32
I have to agree. Aerows Nov 2015 #48
Not my point at all. My point is that he needs to be 'helped' to qualify. randome Nov 2015 #69
I doubt that occurred to any Bernie supporters. djean111 Nov 2015 #70
Then I apologize. randome Nov 2015 #72
The ballot he'll have the toughest time with is Virginia's MohRokTah Nov 2015 #37
Yes. Virginia's primary ballot access laws are MineralMan Nov 2015 #43
Both Perry and Cain were excluded from the Virginia primary in 2012 Gothmog Nov 2015 #68
No legal reason exists, but the Secretary needs no legal reason to issue a press release or comment merrily Nov 2015 #45
It will all come to nothing, and Sanders will be on the ballot. MineralMan Nov 2015 #46
It's already not nothing. Read my post again. merrily Nov 2015 #47
You posted your opinion and I posted mine. MineralMan Nov 2015 #50
Calling an on topic reply to your own OP a waste of time twice is inappropriate. I stand by that. merrily Nov 2015 #52
Just so you know, I won't be replying to kick this propaganda thread again. merrily Nov 2015 #61
you just did still_one Nov 2015 #65
I would bet money he will be on the ballot still_one Nov 2015 #64
So would I. I think it's a completely unnecessary concern. MineralMan Nov 2015 #66
Our usual bet Mortimer? still_one Nov 2015 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author still_one Nov 2015 #89
The NH SOS has rules which much be followed in order for a candidate on the ballot, Clinton, Sanders Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #85
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