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2016 Postmortem

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dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
77. We have to learn to defeat corporate-funded candidates
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:25 PM
Nov 2015

with candidates who are willing to run using only small clean public donations. That's not an excuse, that''s the reality. Everything else is just a diversion. The first victories will be the most difficult, then momentum will buld.

What you describe is the existing model, where issues aren't what matter. Corporate-funded ad buys, slick mailers, bogus policy positions and wedge politics. It gets us nowhere even when we win.

Honest, genuine and plain-spoken truth-telling about what Americans are up against, how we are being used by the powers that be, and what the candidate will work to do about it, coupled with grass-roots funding and activism, is the way out of this.

Enough people are sick and tired of the old politics, and hurting in their own lives, plus we have issues driving abandonment of the old ways, such as climate change and perpetual resource wars, police and surveillance states with massive prison populations, people retiring into poverty, kids in huge debt out of college, the times have changed to bring about conditions for doing things the right way, and to win by doing so. Social media and a less consolidated information backbone on the internet enable people-based campaigns to compete.

Now what we have to do is convince people who are still entrenched in the old ways of machine politics to get on board. Hence these emails.

Sanders is a good example, but we need a lot of candidates like him, at all levels of government. It's a process where we have to literally learn to win elections this way. I sincerely believe that the conditions presently exist to allow this to happen, and it's imperative that it does happen.

I'm pooped [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 OP
I'm super pooped olddots Nov 2015 #1
Chianti Classico MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #3
L0onix's banning sure made me feel tired. merrily Nov 2015 #2
Yeah, that did flatten my energy meter. MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #4
An anonymous poster being banned from an interweb message board flattened your energy meter? Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #9
It's called friendship MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #10
Friends don't let friends advocate against supporting the Democratic nominee Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #22
No Thanks JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #32
Correct. That is not in the TOS Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #34
Agreed, but... JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #35
It was a quoted article. Not the words of the commenter. senz Nov 2015 #52
Look, some people think that starting a ruinous war MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #57
Some people don't understand "friendship." senz Nov 2015 #51
You ought to put him/her on ignore, Manny. senz Nov 2015 #54
Silencing liberal allies should affect us all. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #21
Anyone who says they will not vote for the Dem nominee Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #36
Well then, let's hope it will be Bernie so you can have plenty. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #39
+ 1000 senz Nov 2015 #53
I think he was speaking of liberals and progressives. The conservatives are safe. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #75
Is that bug new? If so, I heart you so much. merrily Nov 2015 #43
A tribute... nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #44
I got it. Hence the heart you. No flies on me! merrily Nov 2015 #46
The site is a bit buggy sometimes. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #47
LOL! Always leave 'em laughing. merrily Nov 2015 #48
Oh don't you wish... senz Nov 2015 #50
It's fracked up, but just another step in the cleansing of DU. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #5
Cleansing? Was L0onix dirt? merrily Nov 2015 #6
One of their leaders told me once, when I asked why they did so much alerting, locking, hiding and rhett o rick Nov 2015 #7
It makes more sense now jfern Nov 2015 #29
Only Bernie supporters are advocating for not voting if their candidate doesn't get the nomination. Metric System Nov 2015 #49
Never heard anyone around here say they can't vote for a socialist? senz Nov 2015 #56
Me too. Interesting, isn't it? Should we start alerting on that stuff? n/t djean111 Nov 2015 #69
Wrong. If that's what you see then you are missing it. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #74
There is a warning sign on the road ahead Mnpaul Nov 2015 #72
That was completely avoidable. MineralMan Nov 2015 #79
No, we cannot Recursion Nov 2015 #8
I disagree dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #11
Except we don't have the votes. 75% of Americans believe in creationism Recursion Nov 2015 #12
Issue polling says we do have the votes dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #13
And if we governed by referendum we'd be in great position. We don't, so we aren't. Recursion Nov 2015 #14
I love the way you say people vote based on signaling, like that's written in stone. merrily Nov 2015 #16
If it changes I'll be the first to stand up and cheer (nt) Recursion Nov 2015 #18
You've yet to establish it exists, so talking about its changing is getting ahead of yourself. merrily Nov 2015 #25
No, it's very well established Recursion Nov 2015 #27
That doesn't prove your claim--and you need to re-read Reply 25. Again, goodnight. merrily Nov 2015 #31
We have to learn to defeat corporate-funded candidates dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #77
Links? A gallup poll from June 2014 says 42% believe in creationism. merrily Nov 2015 #15
That's the link. 73% believe in creationism Recursion Nov 2015 #19
So, many Americans believe a supernatural being had a hand in creation of the world. That is merrily Nov 2015 #23
People sure as hell cared where Al Smith worshipped Recursion Nov 2015 #24
Yet the ticket got elected and, I repeat, no one cared where FDR, the top of the ticket, worshipped. merrily Nov 2015 #26
Because I had the year wrong; it was Smith, and it lost. See the edit (nt) Recursion Nov 2015 #28
Whatever. JFK won --and you had more than the year wrong. Good night. merrily Nov 2015 #30
Please see Reply 82 for an eyewitness report re: nobody cared about FDR's view of creation. Thanks merrily Nov 2015 #83
Post 82 pretty clearly proves my point Recursion Nov 2015 #85
LMAO. She said no one knew or cared, proving my point to a T, and you're spinning that like a top. merrily Nov 2015 #86
You really don't get the "privilege" concept, do you? Recursion Nov 2015 #87
You don't really get the concept that when a President puts a chicken in every pot, no one cares merrily Nov 2015 #88
I'm from the era the FDR was elected in and my parents and jwirr Nov 2015 #82
Episcopal, and that's why nobody talked about it. Just like nobody mentions a white candidate's race Recursion Nov 2015 #84
Did you know that in the years Al Smith ran the KKK was jwirr Nov 2015 #89
Um... yes. That was kind of their thing Recursion Nov 2015 #90
I believe in God and His role in guiding evolution. Am I part of the problem too? think Nov 2015 #41
Anyone who says you can't believe what you want to believe senz Nov 2015 #55
I get the 42%. The 75% throws me, bvf Nov 2015 #37
A non-belief in natural selection Recursion Nov 2015 #38
I visited the link and skimmed it earlier. bvf Nov 2015 #42
^^^THIS^^^ jwirr Nov 2015 #81
I read you. Do what you need to be strong and happy because this is going to be a long long fight. mahina Nov 2015 #17
The dialogue is so far to the right that I'm expecting a lizard with a ladder at any time now Hydra Nov 2015 #20
You'd have to learn to say, "Sorry." Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #33
There are crazies everywhere. DFW Nov 2015 #40
K&R! marym625 Nov 2015 #45
Can you believe there are people on DU saying there's no difference between Ds and Rs? DanTex Nov 2015 #58
Can you believe there are people on DU who MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #59
Iraq: a great reminder of what happens when the GOP takes over. DanTex Nov 2015 #60
So pro-war Democrats didn't realize the GOP MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #61
My point: if you want to prevent more Iraqs, don't let the GOP take power. DanTex Nov 2015 #62
And the same goes for Dems who supported the war n/t eridani Nov 2015 #64
The war would never have happened if there was a Dem in the White House. DanTex Nov 2015 #67
So you think the Iraq War was a bad thing? nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #65
Yes. How about you? DanTex Nov 2015 #66
Horrific. MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #68
Yes, it was a big deal. Disaster. DanTex Nov 2015 #70
Yeah, well, tough country BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #63
Dick Cheney statue? senz Nov 2015 #76
I'm wore plumb out madokie Nov 2015 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2015 #73
Have a nap, Manny. MineralMan Nov 2015 #78
I've decided to double my annual DU contribution... 99Forever Nov 2015 #80
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