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dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
48. Disagree
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 08:55 AM
Nov 2015

I read Krugman's article, and it didn't ring true to me at all.

First, I think there's a huge difference between Hillary and Bernie, one that is obscured rather than illuminatedby the corporate media debates and election coverage.

Second, it's very easy to forget about the huge percentage of disaffected voters who have lost faith in either party. They call themselves independents, for the most part because the politicians of both parties are perceived (accurately IMHO) as being owned by their large campaign donors, giving us lip service and giving the donors room service.

The point I'm trying to make is that Bernie is someone these people relate to, and for the right reasons.

So he has the capability to drive a huge turnout, with people showing up who have given up on the process. And there are a LOT of such people.

Not only would that help him win, it would help elect a Democratic House and Senate.

I don't know when or even if we could turn them our way (I'd say the Senate would be likely in 2016, maybe 2018 for the House). Hopefully the party would follow Bernie's lead and stand up for our interests, getting the public to come out to the polls to vote the obstructing Republicans out of office so the policies, which polls clearly show they want, can be enacted.

People are starving for authentic representation by someone who is working for them rather than for their large corporate donors, and we shouldn't underestimate the potential of that.

This is what every pragmatist* has said forever. joshcryer Nov 2015 #1
Yup. Agschmid Nov 2015 #4
Is your statement satire? daybranch Nov 2015 #21
It's reality. Read up on redistricting and the House of Representatives. stevenleser Nov 2015 #34
Read the constitution for once. joshcryer Nov 2015 #53
And they use to say the same thing about the difference between fasttense Nov 2015 #54
Disagree Completely - Krugman Seeks To Minimize The Differences Between HRC And Sanders cantbeserious Nov 2015 #2
In what way do you think there are big differences lovemydog Nov 2015 #3
Easy - See The Six Questions cantbeserious Nov 2015 #5
That's rhetoric. lovemydog Nov 2015 #6
Yes - The Buly Pulpit Is Powerful - HRC Would Not Mention Any Of Them cantbeserious Nov 2015 #7
Yes. I know. Maybe she hasn't mentioned them lovemydog Nov 2015 #10
Ready Excuse For Some That Have Exceedingly Low Expectations cantbeserious Nov 2015 #24
We are prepared to March, call, whatever to force things like Publicly Funded Elections Dustlawyer Nov 2015 #44
Actually Bernie claims a revolution is necessary to accomplish what he desires most daybranch Nov 2015 #18
Yes, Bernie is saying that and I believe him lovemydog Nov 2015 #28
Berne would try. freedom fighter jh Nov 2015 #32
I hear you. lovemydog Nov 2015 #36
You need a new schtick Blue_Adept Nov 2015 #8
What Would One Like To Discuss cantbeserious Nov 2015 #51
great answer! daybranch Nov 2015 #23
They will both have to deal with the same Congress. Why would Sanders be more successful? n/t pnwmom Nov 2015 #37
Because PADemD Nov 2015 #49
Sanders Would Try - HRC Would Maintain The Status Quo - A Third Obama Administration cantbeserious Nov 2015 #50
house and congressional republicans 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #9
Fair answer. lovemydog Nov 2015 #12
/\_/\_This_/\_/\ Scuba Nov 2015 #14
Huge +1! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #16
Exactly. The difference is that one will try, and one will shrug her shoulders and feign impotence GoneFishin Nov 2015 #25
what did Obama do to make Republicans hate him dsc Nov 2015 #43
obama is black 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #52
So under your rules we should never elect anything other than a white male dsc Nov 2015 #56
I'm sure they do hate jews 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #61
I agree. Krugman has decided where his bread is buttered, so to speak. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #15
I absolutely agree. We're getting a Democrat for President. What we need to guarentee is we get a... marble falls Nov 2015 #11
I sure hope so. lovemydog Nov 2015 #13
Then the focus should be on 2020 Motown_Johnny Nov 2015 #19
And at the same same time get a major turn out for 2018. Off year elections kills Democrats.... marble falls Nov 2015 #22
My underlying point for 2020 is.... Motown_Johnny Nov 2015 #27
I've seen polls that suggest a Clinton/Bush match up would actully supress turnout 2016. marble falls Nov 2015 #30
and that is what Bernie means 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #55
I think some Executive actions are possible and Bernie would take them Motown_Johnny Nov 2015 #17
Krugman is a voter and a U.S. citizen. He is entitled to his opinion. His opinion is not convincing GoneFishin Nov 2015 #29
welllllll.... EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #20
Bull n2doc Nov 2015 #26
That he would seriously opine that there is no difference TM99 Nov 2015 #31
He's talking more about the legislative branch lovemydog Nov 2015 #33
No he is talking about the President as well. TM99 Nov 2015 #42
And rightly so. That letter is all that matters. Recursion Nov 2015 #35
Bullshit. TM99 Nov 2015 #40
Completely agree! dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #45
Bullshit. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #46
I've only been saying this for the last five months or so. stevenleser Nov 2015 #38
Oh, you should see how much effort Debbie Wasserman-DINO puts into getting DINOs and even djean111 Nov 2015 #47
Been saying it since 2010 when I helped kept CO blue. joshcryer Nov 2015 #57
Still got you beat by four years... stevenleser Nov 2015 #59
I disagree. I can't imagine Bernie engaging in grand bargains. mmonk Nov 2015 #39
Part of the reason I'm voting for Sanders is because I feel we need to reset the conversation. We Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #41
Disagree dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #48
That was very interesting. Thanks! (nt) NurseJackie Nov 2015 #58
I agree with his assessment that those who benefit the few at the top. raouldukelives Nov 2015 #60
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