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hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
273. No one objects that New York City was helped with
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:24 PM
Nov 2015

Federal money after 911. What people are objecting to is that financial entities "too big to fail" were bailed out 7 years later, in 2008.

Cantor Fitzgerald Was Wiped Out In the Twin Towers cantbeserious Nov 2015 #1
Yes. The lists here of tenants at the time show mostly financial corporations Ghost Dog Nov 2015 #159
Wasn't there a lot of short selling just before the attacks? -none Nov 2015 #2
Yep... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #4
You forgot the link to the loony conspiracy site where you got that dreck... SidDithers Nov 2015 #113
Love that word "dreck" randys1 Nov 2015 #153
Oh, Sid... you think everyone's a loon... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #157
The only evidence one will find in the archives of DU2's dungeon JTFrog Nov 2015 #194
Good catch, Sid! BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #201
Oh yes! Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #30
No, that is an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory that blames the Jews for 9/11. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #79
The World Trade Center was, if I'm not mistaken sort of at the heart of Wall Street physically and Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #3
They're actually about a mile apart starroute Nov 2015 #18
Thanks. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #19
What a weird map leftynyc Nov 2015 #108
A tourist site says it's one mile starroute Nov 2015 #111
Yes - it is the financial district leftynyc Nov 2015 #114
yes thank you for a common sense reply Florencenj2point0 Nov 2015 #179
I am pretty sure you are playing dumb, but I will attempt it. Evergreen Emerald Nov 2015 #5
The question was not whether or not she aided 911 victims, but whether hedgehog Nov 2015 #6
They were talking about the 08 crash Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #11
that's right there was no collapse after 911 Florencenj2point0 Nov 2015 #182
to bad that is not what the question was about Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #188
Sanders backed her up on her claims, praised her, and said he helped emulatorloo Nov 2015 #203
Here DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #12
As it happened, I came across the same link you posted, and would point out the following: hedgehog Nov 2015 #14
It took a while... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #15
The GDP for New York City was estimated to have declined by $30.3 billion the year following 9/11 bettyellen Nov 2015 #50
But I think when the reference "Wall Street" is used, it specifically hedgehog Nov 2015 #69
you think everyone who works on Wall street is part of the 1%? Florencenj2point0 Nov 2015 #183
Not everyone associated or dependent on Wall Street firms is part of "Wall Street" hedgehog Nov 2015 #184
We lost hundred of businesses to NJ almost immediately. An entire new financial center emerged in bettyellen Nov 2015 #20
Losing jobs may have been a consequence TM99 Nov 2015 #28
they chose WTC as a symbol of international commerce to disrupt. this was oft discussed bettyellen Nov 2015 #32
No actually they didn't. TM99 Nov 2015 #38
The GDP for New York City was estimated to have declined by $30.3 billion the year following 9/11 bettyellen Nov 2015 #42
You aren't getting this are you. TM99 Nov 2015 #48
OMG, the high profile targets were chosen because R B Garr Nov 2015 #63
Ummmm...plenty of "civilians" work in the Pentagon. A HERETIC I AM Nov 2015 #91
Sigh. The Pentagon was hit for its symbolism. R B Garr Nov 2015 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Nov 2015 #98
For fucks sake yourself. Civilians are not a target R B Garr Nov 2015 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Nov 2015 #103
Hilarious!! Go back and read post 48 which R B Garr Nov 2015 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Nov 2015 #133
LMAO, people who work at the Pentagon are Federal employees. R B Garr Nov 2015 #136
Postal workerss aren't military either. LiberalAndProud Nov 2015 #143
Whats asinine is to say the Pentagon was hit R B Garr Nov 2015 #148
That's not what I understood the poster to say. LiberalAndProud Nov 2015 #155
Uh huh. R B Garr Nov 2015 #164
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Nov 2015 #154
Good Lord! This is ridiculous. CIA might not be active R B Garr Nov 2015 #165
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Nov 2015 #168
Yet YOU are the one who responded to me first R B Garr Nov 2015 #169
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Nov 2015 #178
Then it's obvious what we both meant, so quit R B Garr Nov 2015 #186
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Nov 2015 #286
LMAO, oh my God, your ego is not my problem. R B Garr Nov 2015 #287
"There are no civilians at the Pentagon." Well, that is 100% WRONG! cleanhippie Nov 2015 #170
They are Federal employees. They represent the R B Garr Nov 2015 #171
Yes, SOME are Federal Employess, but they are still CIVILIANS. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #172
Obviously you didn't read the post I responded to R B Garr Nov 2015 #173
I read the post where you wrote "There are no civilians at the Pentagon." That is 100% wrong. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #174
Admit you didn't read the post.I responded to R B Garr Nov 2015 #176
Asking why you refuse to admit that you made a false statement isn't personally attacking you. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #177
Admit that you still didn't read post 48 R B Garr Nov 2015 #180
Post #48 is irrelevant, I'm talking about your factually wrong statement and nothing more. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #181
LMAO, at least you admit you can't be bothered R B Garr Nov 2015 #189
You can pretend your statement of "There are no civilians at the Pentagon" is not the issue here. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #192
You are the laughable one. Look at your non-content R B Garr Nov 2015 #199
So in your reality, no civilians work at the pentagon, and pointing out that it's false is an insult cleanhippie Nov 2015 #202
What's clear is that you refused to read R B Garr Nov 2015 #205
Did you state "there are no civilians at the pentagon"? cleanhippie Nov 2015 #206
You already stated you would not read for content, R B Garr Nov 2015 #209
What content makes "there are no civilians at the pentagon" a true statement? cleanhippie Nov 2015 #210
See above R B Garr Nov 2015 #212
That's what I thought, you've got absolutely nothing. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #215
That's what I thought, too. You are just here to R B Garr Nov 2015 #216
Here to point out that your statement "there are no civilians at the pentagon" is false. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #217
Here to point out that you refused to R B Garr Nov 2015 #221
Keep bumping the thread so everyone gets to see you contort yourself to avoid admitting you're wrong cleanhippie Nov 2015 #223
Yes, keep bumping to show that you refused to R B Garr Nov 2015 #224
Again, what content makes "there are no civilians at the pentagon" a true statement? cleanhippie Nov 2015 #225
Bump for gameplayers who refuse to R B Garr Nov 2015 #227
Ok, you win! I give up! I surrender. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #230
You are the one with the pride. Quit projecting your R B Garr Nov 2015 #234
I'll give you one last try. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #237
Since you refused to read for content it's obvious R B Garr Nov 2015 #240
I see that up is down in your world. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #243
What's WOW are the lame attempts to rewrite history R B Garr Nov 2015 #244
... A HERETIC I AM Nov 2015 #226
I can't post doggie videos from my phone R B Garr Nov 2015 #228
Really you are digging a hole. msrizzo Nov 2015 #232
His/her denial of the fact that civilians do work at the pentagon is stupefying. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #235
Please, don't be ridiculous. R B Garr Nov 2015 #236
FFS, federal employees ARE civilians. What. The. Fuck. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #238
LMAO, you refuse to read for content, yet you know R B Garr Nov 2015 #239
Wow. Just wow. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #242
LMAO! Sorry your attack failed. R B Garr Nov 2015 #245
I'll just leave this here. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #248
The Pentagon was not attacked as a civilian target. R B Garr Nov 2015 #249
You said "there are no civilians at the pentagon". That's patently untrue. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #250
You said you would not read for content R B Garr Nov 2015 #251
Do civilians work at the pentagon or not? cleanhippie Nov 2015 #252
The Pentagon is not a civilian target. R B Garr Nov 2015 #253
That's not in dispute, your factually wrong statement is. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #255
You refused to read for content and are now R B Garr Nov 2015 #256
Yeah, me telling you repeatedly that yiur statement is wrong is backpedaling. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #257
Ah, the personal attacks -- your true motive. R B Garr Nov 2015 #258
Keep telling yourself that. Seems to be what you're best at. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #259
It wasn't that hard to see your motives. R B Garr Nov 2015 #260
Obviously cleanhippie Nov 2015 #262
Just as I predicted, even. R B Garr Nov 2015 #263
You know it to be true, just like you know "there are no civilians at the pentagon". cleanhippie Nov 2015 #264
No, it's just like I know you refused to read the post R B Garr Nov 2015 #265
"There are no civilians at the pentagon" cleanhippie Nov 2015 #266
The Pentagon was a government target. R B Garr Nov 2015 #267
"There are no civilians at the pentagon" cleanhippie Nov 2015 #268
The Pentagon is a government target. R B Garr Nov 2015 #269
"There are no civilians at the pentagon" cleanhippie Nov 2015 #270
The Pentagon is a government target. R B Garr Nov 2015 #271
"There are no civilians at the pentagon" cleanhippie Nov 2015 #272
Thanks for showing you are just here to play games R B Garr Nov 2015 #274
The Pentagon is a government target. R B Garr Nov 2015 #275
"There are no civilians at the pentagon" cleanhippie Nov 2015 #277
The Pentagon is a government target. R B Garr Nov 2015 #278
"There are no civilians at the pentagon" cleanhippie Nov 2015 #280
Thanks for showing you are just here to play games. R B Garr Nov 2015 #281
The Pentagon is not a civilian target. R B Garr Nov 2015 #282
"There are no civilians at the pentagon" cleanhippie Nov 2015 #283
The Pentagon is not a civilian target. R B Garr Nov 2015 #284
There are no civilians at the pentagon" cleanhippie Nov 2015 #288
The Pentagon is not a civilian target. R B Garr Nov 2015 #289
Thanks for showing you are just here to play games. R B Garr Nov 2015 #290
Thanks for showing you are just here to play games. R B Garr Nov 2015 #285
Thanks for showing you are just here to play games. R B Garr Nov 2015 #279
Please read my response again. msrizzo Nov 2015 #246
Hi, feel free to read the other responses as well R B Garr Nov 2015 #247
YOU are not getting the actual huge impact on hundreds of thousands of people. Not at all. bettyellen Nov 2015 #65
Yet, again, the impact is not the issue. TM99 Nov 2015 #66
No. Again no. He was smearing her with Wall Street R B Garr Nov 2015 #80
Get this Florencenj2point0 Nov 2015 #185
Well how about this? TM99 Nov 2015 #187
boo hoo, you have cut me to the quick. Florencenj2point0 Nov 2015 #191
I think you will live. TM99 Nov 2015 #195
I clearly remember those discussions. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #102
I think a lot of people forgot, but I have read so many ignorant things about NYC in general the bettyellen Nov 2015 #125
tank the US economy as a whole. It didn't happen, AlbertCat Nov 2015 #131
The stock market had to shut down Sheepshank Nov 2015 #160
The stock market had to shut down AlbertCat Nov 2015 #162
Totally wrong. Wall Street is invoked by Sanders as the R B Garr Nov 2015 #35
Now we have people expressing resentment NYC was "bailed out" after 9/11. Do they even think? bettyellen Nov 2015 #47
I'm disgusted, too. Now New York goes under the bus R B Garr Nov 2015 #56
Disgusted NYer here also leftynyc Nov 2015 #110
It is indeed desperate in a sick way. If it makes Clinton R B Garr Nov 2015 #146
I'm having another leftynyc Nov 2015 #149
WOW, it's so incredibly sick! She answers a generalized smear in R B Garr Nov 2015 #151
True, which is why leftynyc Nov 2015 #156
Thank you, your contributions to keep this thread R B Garr Nov 2015 #166
take heart Florencenj2point0 Nov 2015 #193
No one objects that New York City was helped with hedgehog Nov 2015 #273
at least one idiot called the aide NYC got after 9/11 Wall St's first bailout. bettyellen Nov 2015 #276
The entire building that housed leftynyc Nov 2015 #109
Oh my God Florencenj2point0 Nov 2015 #190
I appreciate what she did as the Senator for NY TM99 Nov 2015 #8
Frankly at that time, having friends right in the area of the attack, politicians were the last sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #31
If I recall correctly, Ms. Yertle Nov 2015 #7
No. TM99 Nov 2015 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Ms. Yertle Nov 2015 #21
Plus the towers had been attacked before. Finishing the job? jwirr Nov 2015 #25
Yes, that came up in the investigation TM99 Nov 2015 #27
This was my understanding as well Dem2 Nov 2015 #13
Post hoc fallacy. TM99 Nov 2015 #26
I will do this once and only once... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #9
Regardless of any of this. How would it, even if Hillary is right, affect her taking such huge sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #33
World Trade Center, duh? eom MohRokTah Nov 2015 #16
Hard to believe isn't it? JoePhilly Nov 2015 #23
Anything to prop up a failed campaign, I guess. MohRokTah Nov 2015 #57
And how does that, which happened 15 years ago, explain why Hillary is NOW taking so much money sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #36
Didn't you know Bin Laden hated Wall St for it's freedom!!!11!11 Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #17
Look at a map BainsBane Nov 2015 #22
Again - "Wall Street" is not generally used to indicate a location but rather as short hand hedgehog Nov 2015 #29
It was the TRADE Center and The WFC- World Financial Center next door also closed down. bettyellen Nov 2015 #34
Then of course it did BainsBane Nov 2015 #41
The question she was asked was about her huge Wall St donations NOW. The moderator reminded her sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #39
No, it wasn't about now BainsBane Nov 2015 #44
It's like they have been brainwashed to hate NYC now. Disgusting xenophobia. bettyellen Nov 2015 #46
What? What ARE you talking about? We always opposed bailing out the Criminals on Wall St sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #49
The topic is 9/11. Nice try. You called 08 ANOTHER BAILOUT for Wall St. It was not. bettyellen Nov 2015 #51
The topic is Hillary's answer to the question she was asked. Which had zero to do with 9/11. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #54
You can't seem to separate out the 1% from average working NYers. The bailouts were very different bettyellen Nov 2015 #58
Don't you DARE put words like that in my mouth. I was in NY that day and attempting to twist sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #64
the crash of the national economy was not the subject- as desperately as you try to confuse the bettyellen Nov 2015 #81
None of what you typed had to do with Clinton's R B Garr Nov 2015 #82
She was asked about her huge donations from Wall St and she went all the way back 15 years sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #89
She was not asked about her "huge donations". R B Garr Nov 2015 #94
And the most obvious target with the most likely casualties and the greatest financial impact. OilemFirchen Nov 2015 #55
I have a relative who was in the area and she talked about jwirr Nov 2015 #24
Wow, just a little dust, huh? Unfuckingbelievable. bettyellen Nov 2015 #37
Do you remember the question Hillary was asked? It had zero to do with 9/11 which happened sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #40
Her donor base also includes many loyal NYers and women. I have no problem with that. bettyellen Nov 2015 #43
Of course there are good reasons, that's why she was so upset when the question was asked. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #45
you are confused about her donor base then, vs her donor base now. sorry! bettyellen Nov 2015 #52
she was asked basically why she had so many wall street donors Florencenj2point0 Nov 2015 #197
I know. Tragic, but it has nothing to do with Hillary's relationship with Goldman Sachs. merrily Nov 2015 #231
Well, a Goldman Sachs trader got a paper cut on his pinky so Hillary put a Band-Aid on it. Quixote1818 Nov 2015 #53
WOW. Fucking disgusting. bettyellen Nov 2015 #60
You do realize the majority of casualties on 9/11 occurred in the World Trade Center. MohRokTah Nov 2015 #62
Thanks for your fake outrage. nt Quixote1818 Nov 2015 #67
Your sick humor is disgusting, fortunately I never need read another sick post from you. eom MohRokTah Nov 2015 #70
Sorry if it offended you but it was just a light hearted joke. No harm was meant Quixote1818 Nov 2015 #77
Thanks for mocking the victims of the biggest tragedy NYC has ever had. bettyellen Nov 2015 #73
As I said above, I apologize if I offended anyone. It was sarcasm Quixote1818 Nov 2015 #78
thank you for this nice comment Florencenj2point0 Nov 2015 #207
Results LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #68
This is one of the most disgusting posts I've ever read on DU mcar Nov 2015 #83
Your post is repulsive leftynyc Nov 2015 #112
yes. it was. mopinko Nov 2015 #59
No just a lot of false memories TM99 Nov 2015 #71
Second most disgusting post in this thread. MohRokTah Nov 2015 #84
That you are disgusted and commenting TM99 Nov 2015 #85
You are a shining example of a Sanders supporter MohRokTah Nov 2015 #86
Right back at you beautiful. TM99 Nov 2015 #87
Hey you~ sheshe2 Nov 2015 #92
yup mopinko Nov 2015 #118
dude, i'm a bernie supporter mopinko Nov 2015 #90
My ex-fiance from TM99 Nov 2015 #93
that is just not how i see the whole thing. mopinko Nov 2015 #100
Did I mention the Clinton Foundation? TM99 Nov 2015 #117
"False memories" to support a candidate? You should be ashamed of yourself, but... George II Nov 2015 #121
People don't get it.... George II Nov 2015 #120
yup. mopinko Nov 2015 #141
Yes. OilemFirchen Nov 2015 #61
But does one attack Wall Street by killing people and destroying offices, hedgehog Nov 2015 #74
Ask Congressman bin Laden. OilemFirchen Nov 2015 #76
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #75
Umm, have you ever been to NYC? DanTex Nov 2015 #72
9/11 had NO effect on Wall Street. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #88
Bullshit leftynyc Nov 2015 #115
Dubya kept blaming 9/11 for his economic failure... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #123
You simply don't have a clue leftynyc Nov 2015 #127
Please tell us more about how Hillary failed in her economic heroics. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #129
Deflection is the only way leftynyc Nov 2015 #130
Actually, I'm doing quite well baiting a Hillary supporter into defending her ridiculous claim.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #132
LOL - and now shoving words into my mouth leftynyc Nov 2015 #138
You really are going to go there, aren't you.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #139
Don't even try that, cupcake leftynyc Nov 2015 #147
Top economists agree that 9/11 had ZERO effect on the economy..... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #161
Come down to NYC and leftynyc Nov 2015 #163
I'll ask them if they believe she was given Wall Street money as a thank you for helping them. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #198
I can't thank you enough leftynyc Nov 2015 #233
You are demonstrating politics at it's ugliest. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #241
I think he should ask the owner of an Italian deli Florencenj2point0 Nov 2015 #211
The Koch Industries small business didn't. valerief Nov 2015 #158
wtf? BootinUp Nov 2015 #167
You Hillary supporters really need to stop echoing Dubya. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #196
This is not a question of echoing anybody BootinUp Nov 2015 #200
Really? Do you REALLY believe Wall Street is paying her big bucks because of 9/11? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #214
Did the OP get changed? I guess you want BootinUp Nov 2015 #218
I'll take that as an uncomfortable "no". Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #220
Of course you will, lol. BootinUp Nov 2015 #222
. UglyGreed Nov 2015 #96
Yes, and at least symbolically treestar Nov 2015 #97
Bin Laden chose three targets: The Capitol Building, The Pentagon, and the World Trade Center Skinner Nov 2015 #101
I can't believe you have to explain that MaggieD Nov 2015 #105
Of course, it's painfully obvious. zappaman Nov 2015 #106
His words I already quoted above TM99 Nov 2015 #119
that is not speculation treestar Nov 2015 #134
And yet the quote I give from the commission TM99 Nov 2015 #137
Not confirmable is not quite the same thing as speculation. treestar Nov 2015 #142
Uh, yes, actually it is. TM99 Nov 2015 #145
Why would it be a wild guess or speculation treestar Nov 2015 #150
if you were right Florencenj2point0 Nov 2015 #204
I see I have a new friend. TM99 Nov 2015 #208
Yes they were MaggieD Nov 2015 #104
Because that is not what Osama Bin Laden TM99 Nov 2015 #126
well I would definately Florencenj2point0 Nov 2015 #213
Yes, of course, TM99 Nov 2015 #219
She may not have articulated her point very well but I agree with other posters on this thread. randome Nov 2015 #116
They may not have understood the depth of the economy treestar Nov 2015 #135
It really is a clash between two different worlds. randome Nov 2015 #175
Yes, it was. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #122
If you know NYC geography - it was hit karynnj Nov 2015 #124
Gosh hedgehog, take down your silly post to avoid looking foolish to the world. Many riversedge Nov 2015 #128
I think the thread is illuminating (albeit with a lot of flames) hedgehog Nov 2015 #144
The World Trade Center was the target. mmonk Nov 2015 #140
You forget the entire area was trashed FloridaBlues Nov 2015 #152
It pretty much remained much a ghost town for years thereafter.. Historic NY Nov 2015 #261
Yes and no. It's complicated. But two things: merrily Nov 2015 #229
Of course not. Smarmie Doofus Nov 2015 #254
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