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jeff47

(26,549 posts)
22. It was crap.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:26 PM
Nov 2015

First, you seem to have missed her call for regime change in Iraq.

So the task of bringing Sunnis off the sidelines into this new fight will be considerably more difficult. But nonetheless, we need to lay the foundation for a second Sunni awakening. We need to put sustained pressure on the government in Baghdad to get its political house in order, move forward with national reconciliation, and finally stand up a national guard. Baghdad needs to accept, even embrace, arming Sunni and Kurdish forces in the war against ISIS. But if Baghdad won’t do that, the coalition should do so directly.

The Shia that dominate Iraq's government are not about to arm the factions that want to separate Iraq into three countries. Also, arming the Kurds is going to make Turkey very, very angry.

Second, she throws out the magic reconciliation fairy in Syria
On the Syrian side, the big obstacle to getting more ground forces to engage ISIS, beyond the Syrian Kurds who are already deep in the fight, is that the viable Sunni opposition groups remain understandably preoccupied with fighting Assad who, let us remember, has killed many more Syrians than the terrorists have. But they are increasingly under threat from ISIS as well.

So we need to move simultaneously toward a political solution to the civil war that paves the way for a new government with new leadership, and to encourage more Syrians to take on ISIS as well. To support them, we should immediately deploy the special operations force President Obama has already authorized, and be prepared to deploy more as more Syrians get into the fight. And we should retool and ramp up our efforts to support and equip viable Syrian opposition units.

The rebel groups in Syria are "preoccupied with fighting Assad"? WTF? The entire reason they exist is to fight Assad.

Also, they are multiple factions because they don't all agree with each other. That's why Assad still has the largest military in Syria.

Also, "our efforts to support and equip viable Syrian opposition units" has been the primary method that ISIS has armed itself.

Next big problem: She seems to forget Russia is actually in Syria right now:
Our increased support should go hand in hand with increased support from our Arab and European partners, including special forces who can contribute to the fight on the ground. We should also work with the coalition and the neighbors to impose no-fly zones that will stop Assad from slaughtering civilians and the opposition from the air. Opposition forces on the ground, with material support from the coalition, could then help create safe areas where Syrians could remain in the country, rather than fleeing toward Europe.

Uh...there's this other superpower on the planet that's flying planes in Syria. And they are not our "European partner". In fact, they are bombing those "viable Syrian opposition units" Clinton wants to build up. Why on Earth would they respect our "no-fly zone"?

She also seems utterly unaware of the military capabilities of the countries in the region.
Countries like Jordan have offered more, and we should take them up on it, because ultimately our efforts will only succeed if the Arabs and Turks step up in a much bigger way. This is their fight and they need to act like it.

Jordan can't do more, because Jordan lacks precision bombs. They only have "dumb" bombs that are going to blow up large numbers of civilians.

She also doesn't seem to understand Turkey's situation at all:
So far, however, Turkey has been more focused on the Kurds than on countering ISIS. And to be fair, Turkey has a long and painful history with Kurdish terrorist groups. But the threat from ISIS cannot wait. As difficult as it may be, we need to get Turkey to stop bombing Kurdish fighters in Syria who are battling ISIS, and become a full partner in our coalition efforts against ISIS.

Turkey is attempting to fend off a civil war. Roughly the Eastern 1/3rd of Turkey is Kurdish, and they very much want to join a newly-formed Kurdistan. Which would be created by the US arming Iraqi Kurds.

Her plan is to tell Turkey to just ignore the brewing civil war because we want them to fight ISIS instead. Why on Earth would they agree to the destruction of their country because we want them to?

Next, she seems to not know the religious sects involved:
In September, I laid out a comprehensive plan to counter Iranian influence across the region and its support for terrorist proxies such as Hezbollah and Hamas. We cannot view Iran and ISIS as separate challenges. Regional politics are too interwoven. Raising the confidence of our Arab partners and raising the costs to Iran for bad behavior will contribute to a more effective fight against ISIS.

Uh...Iran doesn't like ISIS. Iran is Shiite. ISIS is Suni. ISIS wants to destroy Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas too. If you actually want to exploit the sectarian conflict in the Middle East to destroy ISIS, you need to let Iran loose on ISIS. Not contain them.

She shifts to the "broader fight" and immediately calls for more spying:
Most urgent is stopping the flow of foreign fighters to and from the war zones of the Middle East. Thousands — thousands of young recruits have flocked to Syria from France, Germany, Belgium, the United Kingdom and, yes, even the United States. Their western passports make it easier for them to cross borders and eventually return home radicalized and battle hardened. Stemming this tide will require much better coordination and information-sharing among countries every step of the way. We should not stop pressing until Turkey, where most foreign fighters cross into Syria, finally locks down its border.

The United States and our allies need to know and share the identities of every fighter who has traveled to Syria. We also have to be smart and target interventions that will have the greatest impact. For example, we need a greater focus on shutting down key enablers who arrange transportation, documents and more.


She also gives yet another pass to Wall Street:
They have a resolution that does try to block terrorist financing and other enabling activities, but we have to place more obligations on countries to police their own banks, and the United States, which has quite a record of success in this area, can share more intelligence to help other countries.

Apparently, UBS's "Ooops! Sorry! We won't do it again!" was sufficient.

Hey look! Internet Censorship! That works SO well!
Radicalization and recruitment also is happening online. There’s no doubt we have to do a better job contesting online space, including websites and chat rooms where jihadists communicate with followers. We must deny them virtual territory just as we deny them actual territory.

(snip)

We need more of that, including from the private sector. Social media companies can also do their part by swiftly shutting down terrorist accounts, so they’re not used to plan, provoke or celebrate violence.


Also, we can't allow the little people to have encryption:
Another challenge is how to strike the right balance of protecting privacy and security. Encryption of mobile communications presents a particularly tough problem. We should take the concerns of law enforcement and counterterrorism professionals seriously. They have warned that impenetrable encryption may prevent them from accessing terrorist communications and preventing a future attack. On the other hand, we know there are legitimate concerns about government intrusion, network security, and creating new vulnerabilities that bad actors can and would exploit. So we need Silicon Valley not to view government as its adversary. We need to challenge our best minds in the private sector to work with our best minds in the public sector to develop solutions that will both keep us safe and protect our privacy.



This is a speech designed to sound like she knows foreign policy. The actual policy she lays out is crap.
you forgot to throw in "gravitas"... ibegurpard Nov 2015 #1
You said it. Hillary has gravitas. upaloopa Nov 2015 #6
Perhaps you should listen to it. Skidmore Nov 2015 #38
Gravitas: Dem2 Nov 2015 #18
Gravitas is not a word that regular people use ibegurpard Nov 2015 #39
It works for me. Dem2 Nov 2015 #64
Regular people? I hear it all the time from people MineralMan Nov 2015 #69
And I agree. And yes, I did listen. riversedge Nov 2015 #70
"We came, we saw, he died" she said, laughing...... peacebird Nov 2015 #76
? Pro-Gaddafi? not me. Dem2 Nov 2015 #84
Nor I - but laughing about the killing of another person is pretty heinous. Regardless. peacebird Nov 2015 #86
And Presidential. Reaganesque even. No, Thatcheronic!!! Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #33
I was thinking more FDR. Amimnoch Nov 2015 #42
you guys need to get your stories straight ibegurpard Nov 2015 #47
Those who support Hillary are independent thinkers, Amimnoch Nov 2015 #75
Like "For Dear Richfolks"? peacebird Nov 2015 #77
Is the text avaliable DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #2
Not sure if text is available yet upaloopa Nov 2015 #4
Here is the speech.... SummerSnow Nov 2015 #5
TY DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #7
But did she mention the war on the 1%ers? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #3
No mention at all. The entire speech was in support of the 1%. Mika Nov 2015 #8
Is ISIS DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #11
Supplied by the mic, retaliation by the mic. Mika Nov 2015 #12
+1! Exactly. tecelote Nov 2015 #78
Hmmm... no ISIS attacks around my neck of the woods. Musta missed it. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #34
That's why you should thank your lucky stars for the kind of oasis Nov 2015 #65
You mean the George Bush kind who used the same kind of jargon? Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #66
Sad that you believe that 139 dead French victims of terrorism is the basis for a joke. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #67
sad you think terrorism is a bigger threat than poverty and wealth inequality Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #71
uh huh. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #14
FTD. . . florists for islamists who are not yet so thoroughly disaffected that they are unreachable Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #58
That would be the HEC in place of the MIC Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #60
Remove the MIC from the equation. Mika Nov 2015 #63
I was going to make a wise crack that is what the drones are but that would be untoward. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #9
Well that is some real narrow thinking upaloopa Nov 2015 #10
you missed my sarcasm Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #15
Hope Sanders think that foreign Terror threats are serious-- riversedge Nov 2015 #27
Be afraid!!! Very afraid! Terrorism! Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #35
I'm not incontinent, snort Nov 2015 #62
Just wait.... msrizzo Nov 2015 #13
SCREWING THE 1%? Having the wealthiest Americans pay their fair share of taxes is screwing them? think Nov 2015 #16
I was kidding. msrizzo Nov 2015 #17
You're welcome. think Nov 2015 #19
Thanks and goodbye. msrizzo Nov 2015 #20
Just a note about perception. Darb Nov 2015 #51
So sad for the 1%. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #59
Sounds like she's ready to enter WW3 with ISIS EndElectoral Nov 2015 #21
It was crap. jeff47 Nov 2015 #22
Thank you. This should be an OP. eom Qutzupalotl Nov 2015 #24
. jeff47 Nov 2015 #29
Make this a post please pinebox Nov 2015 #25
. jeff47 Nov 2015 #30
Yes, please make this into a separate OP. TM99 Nov 2015 #28
. jeff47 Nov 2015 #31
I'd have to go back and look, but I am sure the same things were said about Bosnia BootinUp Nov 2015 #36
Then she needs new experts. Not dealing with Russia already in Syria is a massive omission. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #45
I just don't see where you get that charge from BootinUp Nov 2015 #48
Russia is bombing the rebel groups she wants to arm. Assad isn't. jeff47 Nov 2015 #49
Russia is bombing ISIS BootinUp Nov 2015 #52
Nope. They're bombing anti-Assad rebels jeff47 Nov 2015 #53
They would respect it, because BootinUp Nov 2015 #54
So does bombing ISIS instead of bombing anti-Assad rebels. Yet Russia is bombing the rebels. jeff47 Nov 2015 #55
No it wouldn't -- it is not against ISIS, it is against Assad and there is not broad international karynnj Nov 2015 #72
I could understand if people said they do not favor a no-fly zone, too risky. BootinUp Nov 2015 #73
lol tazkcmo Nov 2015 #80
I'm SURE he is laughing about international sanctions /sarcasm BootinUp Nov 2015 #81
+1 Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #37
+ a GAZILLION! n/t in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #41
Great post, hope you can overcome the desire of Hillary fans to avoid critical thinking. daybranch Nov 2015 #74
She's got what it takes from day one. Alfresco Nov 2015 #23
Got what it takes to do what? She's a hawk. artislife Nov 2015 #44
Be POTUS, of course. Alfresco Nov 2015 #50
a hawkish potus..not good enough. nt artislife Nov 2015 #68
Good enough for me and the majority of Democrats. Alfresco Nov 2015 #85
Foreign Policy Credentials.. help plan a least 1 war and 1 coop bahrbearian Nov 2015 #26
What else would we expect when practically every word is focus-grouped? Myrina Nov 2015 #32
Experience matters when choosing a President. riversedge Nov 2015 #40
De Blasio and Clinton chat after her speech on ISIS. -photo riversedge Nov 2015 #46
*BREAKING NEWS* h supporter likes h speech!! artislife Nov 2015 #43
more moderate IS fronts? her experience is all stupid ideas and atrocities that they thought MisterP Nov 2015 #56
Sure, more thorough spying and spending and arming and daming. I see her speech as fear mongering Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #57
I dunno... gregcrawford Nov 2015 #61
She is strong and decisive, knows how to move in foreign, she is far ahead of other candidates in Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #79
Same old same old. tazkcmo Nov 2015 #82
I have laid out Hillary's foreign affairs abilities, do you know Sanders foreign affairs experience, Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author smiley Nov 2015 #87
Can someone explain to me.. Kentonio Nov 2015 #88
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