2016 Postmortem

Jim Lane

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21. Thanks! I was going to post about Obamacare but I'd forgotten Dodd-Frank.

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 06:14 PM

Nov 2015

His record makes clear that he believes in starting negotiations from a strong position. Obama tried the tack of starting at a point much closer to the other side's position. The result was that the Republicans gratefully accepted his unforced concessions and then, nevertheless, provided him with no votes (Obamacare) or almost no votes (stimulus).

From what Obama's said and done lately, my guess is that, if he had 2009 and 2010 to do over, he'd be more like Bernie. My further guess is that, although Obama's actual accomplishments have done immense good, he would have done even more good if he'd been more demanding from the start.

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Bernie's all or nothing uncompromising ideology is why he can't increase his base thus he can't be [View all] upaloopa Nov 2015 OP

I know, dude needs to pander, flip-flop, and triangulate more whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #1

PACS have changed to the positive. yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #33

Right. Much better to start negotiations by conceding everything! You know, like Obama. Scuba Nov 2015 #2

You make the OP's point....Obama has a 90% approval rating among liberal dems. Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #8

So the question is: Are there enough low information voters for Hillary to win the GE? Scuba Nov 2015 #10

You're saying 90% of liberal dems are low information voters? nt Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #11

they always have some lame excuse why the real world isn't like their world on DU. Cha Nov 2015 #14

not sure but most probably are. that's just an american thing... most people watch football not cspa Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #18

Like the BS supporters here ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #30

False. Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #3

Great points think Nov 2015 #4

Boom! Buh-bye OP-loopa - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #16

Thanks! I was going to post about Obamacare but I'd forgotten Dodd-Frank. Jim Lane Nov 2015 #21

Kick & highly recommended! William769 Nov 2015 #5

Ummm he is however pinebox Nov 2015 #6

the prospect of a Socialist in the White House redstateblues Nov 2015 #31

Interesting. That helps to explain the bernie-or-bust idealogy frequently seen here. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #7

I love when people post 'Interesting' in response to ops like this. Kentonio Nov 2015 #9

Ha!! :-D Good one! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #12

+1 Jamaal510 Nov 2015 #24

It's always been clear to me that Bernie is the One and only President for a very narrow base Sheepshank Nov 2015 #13

Bernie Sanders won't represent billionaires Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #20

Very boring. Cha Nov 2015 #15

Bernie is running against a celebrity image, and we know Americans asskiss celebrities! dmosh42 Nov 2015 #17

I'll just leave this here. bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #19

since compromise is almost always necessary, restorefreedom Nov 2015 #22

And Clinton's constant lying, pandering, and flip flopping is why no one trusts her Doctor_J Nov 2015 #23

Clinton's ideology is much more flexible TSIAS Nov 2015 #25

What planet did you wake up on? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #26

You simply added "or nothing" to a bunch of his policy proposals AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #27

Wouldn't it just feel better MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #28

I've never heard Bernie say "or nothing". lob1 Nov 2015 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author DJ13 Nov 2015 #32