Both Clinton and O'Malley have tried to make it a wedge issue to be fair (Reply #56)

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Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:42 PM

Kentonio (4,377 posts)

56. Both Clinton and O'Malley have tried to make it a wedge issue to be fair

Which is annoying to Sanders supporters because the differences between all 3 candidates genuinely aren't that great.

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One big difference between the US and Scandinavia/Western Europe that Bernie keeps missing. [View all]	DanTex	Nov 2015	OP
Do those countries have a military-entertainment-industrial complex...	Cosmic Kitten	Nov 2015	#1
They watch the same movies and play the same video games we do.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#3
Tex, where do you stand on guns?	Aerows	Nov 2015	#60
I think it is your blind spot, not Bernie's. Gun violence is a function of poverty...	Bread and Circus	Nov 2015	#2
Of course, because there's 10 times as much poverty in the US as in Europe.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#6
Norway has a very low poverty rate and low gun violence rate compared to the US	Bread and Circus	Nov 2015	#11
DanTex won't offer his prodigious	Aerows	Nov 2015	#62
You keep on ranting	Aerows	Nov 2015	#61
Unless you're discussing an issue Bernie is comfortable discussing such as income inequality,	Cali_Democrat	Nov 2015	#4
Why does it seem the only violence that matters to some people is gun violence?	Kalidurga	Nov 2015	#5
Another NRA talking point. Gun violence is far more lethal than other forms of violence.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#7
So you don't want to address the underlying causes of violence I get it	Kalidurga	Nov 2015	#8
Of course I do. You just want to ignore the central role that guns play.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#9
Well it's really hard to take this serious	Kalidurga	Nov 2015	#10
Violent crime rates in the US and Europe are similar, this is a simple fact, verified by statistics.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#14
You mis-characterize his statement	dreamnightwind	Nov 2015	#12
What makes gun violence a "wedge issue" and not things like healthcare.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#15
That's all you respond to from that thoughtful post?	dreamnightwind	Nov 2015	#21
That's the question that I had.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#25
Well it seems to me you just want a way to go after Bernie on this	dreamnightwind	Nov 2015	#59
Have you noticed that we keep getting nowhere on guns? I have, and that means that whatever	Bluenorthwest	Nov 2015	#22
Have you noticed that we keep getting nowhere on income inequality?	DanTex	Nov 2015	#26
Except there's a difference you seem to have missed..	Kentonio	Nov 2015	#33
Actually, polls show that Americans are overwhelmingly in favor of stronger gun laws.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#36
Hmm..	Kentonio	Nov 2015	#44
I don't know where the wedge is. People have accused me of bringing up a "wedge issue" in this OP.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#51
Both Clinton and O'Malley have tried to make it a wedge issue to be fair	Kentonio	Nov 2015	#56
Only in as much as Sanders has tried to make things like Wall Street a wedge issue.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#57
They have substantative differences on Wall Street. Guns, not so much.	Kentonio	Nov 2015	#58
Well, there you go, Dan	leftofcool	Nov 2015	#48
Well done for saying the exact opposite of what I just said and attributing it to me..	Kentonio	Nov 2015	#49
Who decides?	Admiral Loinpresser	Nov 2015	#35
How do you determine whether someone is using an issue to divide people or whether someone is	DanTex	Nov 2015	#38
One quick example:	Admiral Loinpresser	Nov 2015	#43
Accusing your opponent of being in the pocket of Wall Street would be	DanTex	Nov 2015	#52
So the people who support Wall St.	Admiral Loinpresser	Nov 2015	#53
He's right on target: It's the income inequality.	Gregorian	Nov 2015	#13
This is clearly false, because Western Europe, Canada, etc. have similar rates of violent crime,	DanTex	Nov 2015	#16
You can't be entitled to your own set of "facts"	Bread and Circus	Nov 2015	#17
It's simple to look up the crime statistics comparing the US and Western Europe.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#18
Look up published studies as crime and violent crime as a function of poverty.	Bread and Circus	Nov 2015	#19
Look up studies comparing gun availability, gun violence and violent crime in the US and Europe.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#23
You are so far away from your original point it is obvious you know you are wrong...	Bread and Circus	Nov 2015	#27
My point has remained the same: the US has a gun violence problem that is unique in the	DanTex	Nov 2015	#31
He sees this clearly.	Admiral Loinpresser	Nov 2015	#37
I don't hear it in his speeches. Like I said in the OP, he likes to draw comparisons to	DanTex	Nov 2015	#39
I have heard it in his speeches more than once.	Admiral Loinpresser	Nov 2015	#45
So then, if Western Europe had more guns they would have the same statistics, right?	Hiraeth	Nov 2015	#20
Yes, if they had more guns and our same lax gun laws, their homicide rate would be much higher.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#24
Any Europeans want to chime in here .... ? Not sure but,	Hiraeth	Nov 2015	#28
How is that an insult? It's praising them on their strong and successful gun regulations.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#40
because you are saying the exact opposite. The case is being made that	Hiraeth	Nov 2015	#54
If your analysis was correct (it isn't) then there would be no such thing as regional concentration	Bread and Circus	Nov 2015	#29
Huh? Of course there's regional concentration of crime.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#32
Crime per capita by region accounts for density. Go look at the numbers.	Bread and Circus	Nov 2015	#41
There's more crime per capita where there is more density.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#42
There is way more poverty in more dense areas. Inner city poverty..hello?h	Bread and Circus	Nov 2015	#46
Sometimes, yes, sometimes no, but that doesn't explain the difference in violent crime.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#50
All of which is true.	Gregorian	Nov 2015	#30
I agree, we are talking about two things: guns and economic inequality.	DanTex	Nov 2015	#34
K & R	SunSeeker	Nov 2015	#47
We can't threaten the interests of the Oligarchs. Because gun violence?	Romulox	Nov 2015	#55
Name one position in which Hillary disagrees with Sanders on gun control	AgingAmerican	Nov 2015	#63

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