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Response to DanTex (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:07 PM

59. Well it seems to me you just want a way to go after Bernie on this

rather than being someone who is looking to reduce gun deaths. I could be mistaken about that, or both things could be true, but that is my impression, which is why I think you're using it as a wedge issue. My opinion on this is informed by you doing this on pretty much any issue you can with Bernie.

Re your single payer example, from my perspective at least, I very much want and think we have to have single payer in this country, no matter who makes it happen. The fact that our corporate Democrats don't even bother to advocate for it is very telling, their donors are lined up against it. Nothing wedge about that.

I don't know that your assertion about violent crime rates in Europe is accurate. I'd need to see data by country, and it would need to separate out suicide deaths or estimate how many of them were from that, and it would also depend on what country and that country's gun policies and their infrastructure for social support. Then I'd need similar stats here in the U.S.

Suicide should be prevented in most cases, but it isn't the same as killing someone else, and in the cases where it should be prevented it should be done by giving the person the kind of support I was suggesting in my earlier post, preferably before they get to that point. In other cases, suicide is used as a way to deal with our lack of death with dignity, or assisted suicide, laws, where people are terminal and would rather choose their time rather than going through hell on earth before they die, and our for-profit healthcare system that will milk hundreds of thousands of dollars out of a terminal patient's insurer, prolonging their life in agony and pointlessness for the sake of making more money.

I have heard, though haven't looked into in any depth, that Australia reduced gun deaths through gun control, which supports your point, though all it addresses is the endpoint, not doing anything about the tragedy that so many people are in rage or despair that leads to the murders.

I'm curious, do you think Hillary is going to go after guns? I don't. If you have some info saying she will, in ways that Bernie won't, what exactly is it? I would be happy to have less guns around, though I've never seen Hillary as a way to get to that. The differences I have seen on this issue appeared insubstantial to me, and I doubted her resolve to carry them forward past the campaign.

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