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2016 Postmortem

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daybranch

(1,309 posts)
9. Just put all this crap with the rest in the Hillary group.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:20 PM
Nov 2015

Pseudo intellectuals that said Bernie was wrong about the Iraq invasion now say he is weak on foreign policy. His attempt to broaden your knowledge about other factors other than what you have expected after buying into the BS from lobbyists and want to be lobbyists for or members of the Military Industrial Complex including many at higher levels of the Pentagon tell you to sell their war agenda as a solution for everything apparently fell on deaf ears.. You are already conditioned to believe Hillary and you do. Bernie tries to add to your knowledge and you are not open to listening to perfectly logical but unanticipated statements. I have lots of experience at looking at threat documents and many times what is said in public does not reflect the secret document but in this case I know for sure that the CIA has stated publicly that climate change is the greatest threat to our country and will cause more and more chaos and related terrorism as peoples seek what are seen as common items today such as clean water, arable land, clean air, and sufficient shelter from the climate and these items become more and more scarce. Wars are about gathering things of value and basic vital resources are most valuable. To deny this is to deny our own history. When King George refused to allow poor Americans to move into Indian controlled lands, they felt cheated because they needed the land to avoid the squalor of living in cities and areas controlled by rich overlords either appointed by the English king or by virtue of wealth either made here or inherited. At the time , the saying was that the rich would grind the face of the poor, symbolizing the inhumanity of the rich oppressors. It is well recognized today that refusing to allow expansion into Indian territory by the king restricted the ability of the potential settlers of the poor lower classes from utilizing the resources of good farmland to improve the lot of themselves and their families and created much of the groundswell of opposition to English rule. To the English, we were terrorists. Also there was a religious hatred factor in the equation just like there is today in terrorism. Many of the poor were Scotch Irish and Presbyterian haters of the Church of England. In the colonies people were taxed to pay for the priests and churches of the Church of England whether they attended, most didn't, that church or not. This tax was hated probably more than stamp or tea taxes since it made the colonists mainly Presbyterians most angry to pay for a faith they did not want to support in any fashion. These Presbyterians were the first to declare declarations of Freedom from English rule and that declaration became a source for ideas and language borrowed by Jefferson in the later Declaration of Independence he wrote. In fact their Presbyterian organization became the model for our Congress and their churches formed the model of grass roots organizing uniting us in a common cause of ending English rule in the colonies spreading ideas and vital communications across a difficult to transverse colonial landscape. So what we see today while we find it vile and deplorable has many similarities to our own history both in reasons for the struggle and religion taking advantage of the struggle already apparent to enhance its stature and compete with a rival religion using war. By the way, our revolution was called the Presbyterian War by the English at the rtime further demonstrating its connection to religion. it is also stated in histroy books that over 60 percent of the soldiers who fought the English were Presbyterian. So Bernie knows of what he speaks and if you cannot learn because you dismiss what you do not expect that is your problem but please try to hold down all your unsupported conclusions about Bernie's knowledge of foreign affairs and remember opinions are like assholes everyone has one but one should not bore those who would analyze and learn about reality with these unsupported opinions. We already have Fox News for that, and the Main stream Media owned by the rich doing it to support Hillary, their investment. Quit helping them. And please Hillary supporter do not try to cover your support of the establishment and Hillary up claiming you like Bernie. That meme has long died here . Last but not least try to learn more history so we do not repeat mistakes. As Bernie wisely said our problems stem from making bad decisions in the past and that if we make better decisions in the future the people will be better off economically. I know if we do not know history we are doomed to repeat the history that best served the ruling class before and we do not want to keep doing the same stupid things do we?

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