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delrem

(9,688 posts)
160. I don't know how to discuss politics with you.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:11 PM
Nov 2015

I didn't say that KM's endorsement proves something about the Black community, and I didn't say that it'll have some overwhelming effect on the Black electorate. That's your red-herring. Your avoidance.

I said that your suggestion that KM might endorse HRC was to laugh. And it is to laugh.

I didn't say that I knew of KM before this. In fact in other posts I've said to the contrary. But because of this now I have listened to his endorsement speech and a couple of his raps, and wow...
Chance of KM even considering endorsing HRC = 0.
Absolute 0.
In fact, I'm surprised he endorsed any Dem or any Rep, including Bernie Sanders. The fact that he did endorse Bernie made me listen closer to what he's saying and not go off like a half-cocked reactionary like I usually do.

The raps I listened to are incandescent.
I'll put it this way:
I'm white, Canadian, unaware unless my nose is pushed into it.
Bob Marley, MLK, have a "safe" way of expressing their message to my ears, and yes, my general agreement with that message (hey, I'm no rasta) goes little further than the weakest lip service because it's not my immediate world.
The KM raps I listened to were scary. The references to Malcolm X's statements and to immediate reality don't make for comfortable listening. In fact, as I said, scary.
I just listened to _Pressure_.
Nobody who wrote that would endorse Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Not even close. Way better chance of me switching over to her team and joining you in the disparagement of "economic justice", in whittling down the well-known and applauded demand for a $15/hr min wage to $12/hr, the dismissal of universal single-payer health care as a ridiculous pipe dream, the dismissal of universal guaranteed public college education as too costly, and etc. in EVERY PARTICULAR. And that won't ever happen.

And if *you* were aware of his poetry and music before this, you'd know that.
So I really do wonder what you're about, claiming some identity with KM's politics and goals, because nothing you've written to disparage the politics of economic justice over the past few months is consistent with that, and in fact as I said is contrary of that.




Anything nastier than the Hillary Cave? nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #1
You can decide for yourself, Manny. MineralMan Nov 2015 #2
Nastier than the Hillary Cave post claiming that Bernie's secretly paid off by Israel? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #39
That is despicable. PufPuf23 Nov 2015 #71
Isn't it interesting that the OP won't visit that site MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #93
Maybe as some say this is primary season at DU ..... PufPuf23 Nov 2015 #100
I had an uncle who was passive aggressive, too Manny MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #137
It's interesting, but not at all surprising. 99Forever Nov 2015 #151
Hillary should be doing more to reign in her supporters Mnpaul Nov 2015 #135
Nothing nastier than Hillary Supporter Snoop Dogg's lyrics to "Lay Low". Crystalite Nov 2015 #103
Were they on the stage with Bernie? JTFrog Nov 2015 #116
No; why do you ask? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #145
Of the people who vote, regularly, I venture to say that only a very small percentage MADem Nov 2015 #3
Oh, I think you're right about that. MineralMan Nov 2015 #6
Random and disconnected thoughts ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #23
As an Old Fart who doesn't know a damn thing about the genre, thank you for that post! MADem Nov 2015 #33
I'm rapidly approach Old Fartdom; but, have a daughter with a musical library ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #76
I'll be the first to admit I am in the provinces when it comes to music! MADem Nov 2015 #120
Gotta love Bob Marley! zappaman Nov 2015 #126
My BabyGirl just got home for T Day .... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #130
Isn't it a good feeling when they walk in the door? MADem Nov 2015 #131
To be honest ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #133
I get it....I can relate!!! nt MADem Nov 2015 #134
Toots!... SidDithers Nov 2015 #155
If KM had endorsed HRC.....we would be checking the URL to see if it was the Onion virtualobserver Nov 2015 #92
Perhaps ... Is John Lewis serious people ... a man of principle? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #94
yes....I would happily take him over Kim Kardashian as well virtualobserver Nov 2015 #96
How does he rank against KM? 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #104
I wouldn't attempt to compare them...... virtualobserver Nov 2015 #106
Fair enough. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #107
"had KM endorsed HRC..." heh! delrem Nov 2015 #141
Face it Killer Mike's relevance to DU is limited to his endorsement of Bernie ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #149
You're projecting. delrem Nov 2015 #150
I'm not projecting a damn thing ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #154
I don't know how to discuss politics with you. delrem Nov 2015 #160
Google site results for "Killer Mike" at DU, for the 14 years prior to Nov 1, 2015... SidDithers Nov 2015 #156
And it would be more pointed if the search was the 14 years prior to May 2105 ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #167
"shit" ? Oh, that's really sweet. pangaia Nov 2015 #110
Well, aren't YOU cultured! You sure showed us! MADem Nov 2015 #118
This might sooth your passions a bit.. pangaia Nov 2015 #119
I wonder who Beethoven would have endorsed....? MADem Nov 2015 #121
That's not why I sent you that link. pangaia Nov 2015 #152
d. Don't give a damn one way or the other. okasha Nov 2015 #117
Indeed! nt MADem Nov 2015 #123
The point is to get people who have done A, B and/or C to get out and vote. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #132
The point did not escape me--what I am telling you (that flew over YOUR head) is that MADem Nov 2015 #166
He might just get people who don't vote regularly to come out and vote. nt valerief Nov 2015 #159
A lot of those people aren't motivated to go through the registration process. MADem Nov 2015 #165
Obama did it. nt valerief Nov 2015 #168
He didn't win primary voters decisively. He won super delegates. MADem Nov 2015 #169
I heard that Snoop likes Hillary. bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #4
I can't say I've every seen any of that person's lyrics, either. MineralMan Nov 2015 #5
I think its pretty clear why you posted it. bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #9
Sounds to me like you're accusing MM of something. Why don't you be clear in your insinuations? MADem Nov 2015 #10
I should be? I didn't post the OP bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #12
You are accusing a DUer of being "borderline racist." That is an UGLY charge. MADem Nov 2015 #14
Ugly posts should be called ugly. bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #16
Nope--I don't know what the problem is here. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say it's with you. MADem Nov 2015 #22
I will not retract. I am in the right. bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #27
No, you are not in the right. You are dead WRONG. If you truly 'don't care what music anyone MADem Nov 2015 #44
Righteous, MADem! BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #127
You PC, bro? Bonobo Nov 2015 #171
As opposed to Apple? Or "Incorrect?" MADem Nov 2015 #172
This is getting insane ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #30
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #37
Notice the site you are linking to. ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #41
Yes, thank you for supporting my point bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #43
No--the point was, you're linking to a web site run by a bunch of right wing racists. MADem Nov 2015 #47
Yeah, I'm likening it to the OP bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #51
No you aren't--you were so anxious for a put-down, you didn't check your source and you got caught. MADem Nov 2015 #54
What would my link have proved? bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #58
Why are you using right wing sources to make these weird "points" that come from your head? MADem Nov 2015 #64
Ugh. really?? bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #65
Wait! What is racist about MM (or anyone) posting a link to KM's music ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #70
See the link...read the op...compare, contrast... bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #73
Why don't you just tell me why posting KM's lyrics (or a link to them) is racist. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #86
That's not what you did, and it's quite obvious that that's not what you did. nt MADem Nov 2015 #125
Then take your vile RW link down-(you yourself just said not to spout that nonsense) riversedge Nov 2015 #77
Yes, the link is vile...I agree. bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #80
Ha ha. Now you are equating the OP with a vile RW site!!! Silly nonsence and I am being polite. riversedge Nov 2015 #83
Not the site, just the article written by the site. bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #85
Take the link down. It should not be on a Democratic board. riversedge Nov 2015 #88
Its to provide contrast. It is in the same vein as the OP bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #91
Only in your biased mind. That you are letting the link stand is shameful riversedge Nov 2015 #98
I'm proud to hold a mirror up. bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #99
Oh for pity's sake! leftofcool Nov 2015 #162
Jesus--the BLAZE....!!!!!! MADem Nov 2015 #46
+1,000,000! nt MADem Nov 2015 #48
I don't see anywhere where Hillary or her supporters have put Snoop front and center Sheepshank Nov 2015 #20
It is very telling. She'd hate people to think she supports legalizing marijuana. bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #29
goal posts moved....unsuccessfully n't Sheepshank Nov 2015 #34
yes, squished that moble post. First time I have seen a purpose riversedge Nov 2015 #109
Yes, rap artist endorse HRC BAD Iliyah Nov 2015 #128
If you do a little search TM99 Nov 2015 #40
Kanye West is a fool and an idiot IMHO Sheepshank Nov 2015 #53
Not stretching in the least. TM99 Nov 2015 #56
I haven't read any of his lyrics Sheepshank Nov 2015 #78
Individual threads in three distinct forums TM99 Nov 2015 #102
Please see also Reply 87. merrily Nov 2015 #89
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #13
"I ain't sayin' she's a gold-digger.." aidbo Nov 2015 #15
Kanye West is a fucking idiot. MADem Nov 2015 #18
OPs post is very offending to all the DUrs who like rap music darkangel218 Nov 2015 #19
I guess anyone on the Bernie Brigade who doesn't like RAP MADem Nov 2015 #25
This is not about "liking rap"! I personally do not like rap! darkangel218 Nov 2015 #31
You'd better get under the Bernie bus, then, according to one poster in this thread, then. MADem Nov 2015 #59
. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #111
I agree Sheepshank Nov 2015 #24
Kanye West is super talented. Posters who don't know music should keep their comments to themselves Romulox Nov 2015 #38
You should take that advice you are giving out, then! MADem Nov 2015 #52
Kanye West is talented at getting people to give him money mythology Nov 2015 #161
He's primarily a PRODUCER and a RAPPER. But you knew that, I'm sure. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #173
see post #20 Sheepshank Nov 2015 #21
I have whoever made that post on ignore. TM99 Nov 2015 #26
it's my post responding to a Bernie supporter....what ev' Sheepshank Nov 2015 #32
Oops, my bad, I didn't have my TM99 Nov 2015 #35
I'm not a fan of hip hop or rap either, however, darkangel218 Nov 2015 #7
I'm not a metal fan, either. MineralMan Nov 2015 #8
"They reflect the vocal artist or songwriter's point of view. " darkangel218 Nov 2015 #11
Someone needs to arrest Stephen King, immediately! n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #45
I like opera. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2015 #61
Haven't listened to the Genre since Funky Cold Medina. 1989 Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #17
What is this magical Google machine you speak of? 99Forever Nov 2015 #28
I usually look to MineralMan for hot musical trends. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #36
I don't, but then again, I don't equate "hot musical trend endorsers" with MADem Nov 2015 #122
Killer Mike is okay... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #42
This is true ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #66
I would be lying if I said I was up to date on rap... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #68
I've always liked PE for exactly those same reasons. Lilith Rising Nov 2015 #72
I'm a rap head (as well as other genres), Jamaal510 Nov 2015 #49
You aren't much of a head if you haven't heard RTJ. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #50
Citing the lyrics of any pop performer or poet as if they were a deposition or manifesto is very Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #55
The OP didn't cite anything. He said he looked at the stuff and MADem Nov 2015 #67
Suggesting that I don't have a mind is rude and uncalled for. I don't have to look Mike up, I know Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #79
soo typical treestar Nov 2015 #97
No one suggested you don't 'have' a mind, and that is a bridge much too far to MADem Nov 2015 #124
Well you edited your comments but the original was full of bull. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #146
I only added to my comments--I didn't change anything I wrote. Unbelievable! MADem Nov 2015 #147
You mean like this one? Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #57
Impressive Mnpaul Nov 2015 #138
Trigger warning? Where's my fainting couch, Blanche! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #60
Thank you... bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #63
Killer Mike endorsed Bernie so of course they're going to smear him. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #69
Hey, some of us just don't care for his lyrics. leftofcool Nov 2015 #163
Sure, that's what it is. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #164
I can't imagine why Kalidurga Nov 2015 #143
I've heard right wingers go on and on about rap "culture" like that. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #144
Misogynist as hell mwrguy Nov 2015 #62
It really is a genre wrought with extreme sexist language and worse. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #74
He's not the first rapper or musical artist to objectify women DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #75
that's true DesertRat Nov 2015 #101
Yes, but our fellow DUer likes it today. merrily Nov 2015 #115
IMO, it's not qreat sign. Under my thumb, a pet, etc. Not cool. merrily Nov 2015 #114
Just about every opera every written is violent and/or sexist. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2015 #81
The kids with their terrible music!!! And they won't get off my lawn!!!! (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #82
As a hip hop fan What was the purpose of this Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #84
I like hip hop Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #108
Are you sure you ventured to the lyrics site since the endorsement, or only since a nasty OP about merrily Nov 2015 #87
I only listen to the Barenaked Ladies. kaiden Nov 2015 #90
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #95
Yeah, Snoop Dogg TM99 Nov 2015 #105
Bernie's cheap amateurish attempt to pander to African American voters. DCBob Nov 2015 #112
You act like Hillary owns the black vote Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #129
Geez, Cheese... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #139
How's it working for you to insinuate that Bernie's "cheap"? MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #140
BERNIE'S attempt? WTF? How did Bernie force this guy to endorse him? merrily Nov 2015 #158
Trigger Warning: Killer Mike lyrics inside: Crystalite Nov 2015 #113
Ah yes. I was wondering who'd start Brock's smear machine rolling. nt delrem Nov 2015 #136
The Beatles say... (TRIGGER WARNING) MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #142
So you try to smear him AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #148
My son says Killer Mike is a good artist. msrizzo Nov 2015 #153
What do you think about Kim Kardashian and her blessings toward Hillary? Menshunables Nov 2015 #157
Sanders followers champion a real winner here Tarc Nov 2015 #170
Oh heaven forfend! nt Romulox Nov 2015 #174
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