Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

localroger

(3,622 posts)
38. This is the logic that sunk HRC in 2008
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 07:39 PM
Nov 2015

The single most important thing you are forgetting is that the Democratic primary isn't winner take all. You can still take a significant number of delegates to represent your supporters from states you don't carry. In '08, HRC treated it as if it was winner take all though, totally ignoring states she didn't expect to carry and confidently expecting to own a lock after Super Tuesday. Meanwhile Obama aggressively campaigned in every district where he had a chance to pick up delegates (and he had a full time campaign employee dedicated to scouring the country for such opportunities on a per-district basis). So come Super Tuesday Hillary won all the states but Obama still got 45% of those delegates, and the lock she expected to have wasn't there. She really didn't seem to have a plan to answer that.

And that is really my single biggest problem with her being the nominee. If she misread something as simple as campaign strategy that badly, when she had to be in contact with many people who could have told her what the math really implied, who will be advising her and how will she make decisions as President? It did not leave me with a warm fuzzy feeling.

Make no mistake I'll vote for her if she's the nominee. But that overconfidence in her advantage in the primary is the very reason she wasn't the nominee eight years ago.

I think you mean "SC" rather than "NC" morningfog Nov 2015 #1
Thanks! I'd wondered how the schedule would synch with the actual delegate requirements. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #15
Here is a good source: morningfog Nov 2015 #19
TYVM (nt) NurseJackie Nov 2015 #20
It appears that Tuesday 22 March 2016 would be the absolute earliest for any candidate ... NurseJackie Nov 2015 #21
yup.....I think you covered it all. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #2
Uptick is a polite way of putting it. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #13
Bernie is right (not sure what O'Malley's is, but if same then he too) and there is no reason randys1 Nov 2015 #3
I actually think it will be accomplished state by state ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #36
Bernie Sanders is announcing programs and explaining how he'd pay for them. Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #4
Margaret Thatcher is a better feminist role model than Clinton. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #5
I know what you mean, sickening. What anti union rhetoric now? randys1 Nov 2015 #6
Same exact ones the right has been using for decades. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #8
One recent example Sheepshank Nov 2015 #27
I dont doubt some union leaders are prone to be for Hillary solely because randys1 Nov 2015 #32
I totally agree about the pragmatism...but union leaders are bad mouthed Sheepshank Nov 2015 #33
You have to BE serious to TAKE anyone seriously... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #24
It's not "anti-union rhetoric" to call bullshit on out of touch union leaders Ken Burch Nov 2015 #25
Why are you calling Sanders a racist? zappaman Nov 2015 #7
Boy I sure missed that, can you point that out for us please randys1 Nov 2015 #10
I think that was meant to be a parody of what we can expect to hear ... NurseJackie Nov 2015 #12
Oh, sarcasm... randys1 Nov 2015 #14
I guess I'll provide the a source for your claims jkbRN Nov 2015 #9
So that's: Hillary 60, Bernie 34 ... That's +24 for Hillary. :-) NurseJackie Nov 2015 #11
Those who whine about Clinton simply show their weakness. And they don't even realize it. randome Nov 2015 #16
That's only logical if you can trust her to actually keep her campaign promises. jeff47 Nov 2015 #17
So you've essentially given up. That's not very helpful. randome Nov 2015 #22
Give me any reason to believe she would actually move to the left instead of saying something jeff47 Nov 2015 #34
#ImwithHer riversedge Nov 2015 #30
Here's the sticky wicket in your post... Armstead Nov 2015 #18
Like Bubba said, "I feel your pain." Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #23
But Sanders is asking you --citizens to just what you are crying about related to Health riversedge Nov 2015 #31
yes, the ops contention that Sanders and Clinton have the same ideals is absurd Doctor_J Nov 2015 #35
I want to see your credentials as a seer. artislife Nov 2015 #26
'May we all come together again' Ha. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #28
Government spending and investment is badly inadequate at present cheapdate Nov 2015 #29
Good broad strokes, but your math is off... brooklynite Nov 2015 #37
This is the logic that sunk HRC in 2008 localroger Nov 2015 #38
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»This is how it looks to m...»Reply #38