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Wonderful!! NurseJackie Dec 2015 #1
Exactly. Skidmore Dec 2015 #2
Except Hillary is not progressive n/t Rebkeh Dec 2015 #3
Yes, she absolutely is MaggieD Dec 2015 #5
And her record is also conservative, that's my point Rebkeh Dec 2015 #11
Can you cite examples? MaggieD Dec 2015 #13
I could but Rebkeh Dec 2015 #22
As I suspected MaggieD Dec 2015 #23
If I thought you were Rebkeh Dec 2015 #26
I am genuinely interested in you backing up your claims MaggieD Dec 2015 #29
I cannot speak for other Bernie supporters Rebkeh Dec 2015 #52
And look for TPP to get her approval floriduck Dec 2015 #61
So despite the fact that.... MaggieD Dec 2015 #77
Your description of my floriduck Dec 2015 #164
You also need floriduck Dec 2015 #167
They always want people to go on quests to find info. bravenak Dec 2015 #97
LOL - that's because they have nothing MaggieD Dec 2015 #118
I feel like Mario in Super Mario Brothers. bravenak Dec 2015 #121
LOL - exactly MaggieD Dec 2015 #124
Actually that's what you do constantly AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #160
And you follow me to insult me. Constantly. bravenak Dec 2015 #176
Have you been asleep? here are confirmed examples of DINO Clinton Android3.14 Dec 2015 #153
Moderates aren't progressive AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #159
Excellent! leftofcool Dec 2015 #4
Thanks! MaggieD Dec 2015 #6
I disagree completely. LWolf Dec 2015 #7
+1 well said, thank you AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #8
You're welcome. LWolf Dec 2015 #9
So then my question in post #10 is for you as well MaggieD Dec 2015 #12
TPP....GOLD STANDARD....'nuf said. Armstead Dec 2015 #55
Okay, so I will ask you the same question.... MaggieD Dec 2015 #10
What do you mean by LWolf Dec 2015 #18
So let's look at the TPP MaggieD Dec 2015 #45
In your dreams Armstead Dec 2015 #60
Our government is supposed to work for the best of our people, not Asian countries' people. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #104
Wrong. LWolf Dec 2015 #144
You seem to have forgotten to mention.. Kentonio Dec 2015 #180
After all the mocking of Hillary and her supporters for mentioning Skidmore Dec 2015 #17
No. LWolf Dec 2015 #20
So which of his proposals do you think he can actually pass? MaggieD Dec 2015 #46
Read about his performance as Mayor of Burlington Armstead Dec 2015 #66
These things have been posted repeatedly here at DU. LWolf Dec 2015 #143
Cite to a single progressive piece of legislation ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #170
Counter-negotiating yourself before even sitting down isn't "pragmatism." Scootaloo Dec 2015 #14
Has nothing to do with that MaggieD Dec 2015 #15
it has EVERYTHING to do with that Scootaloo Dec 2015 #24
You make the OP's case upaloopa Dec 2015 #28
Giving up without even trying is not pragmatism. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #33
I'm sure you can read upaloopa Dec 2015 #38
Expanding the ACA is not giving up MaggieD Dec 2015 #39
They believe capitulation is pragmatism AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #150
So you think wasting time is okay? MaggieD Dec 2015 #34
I think constantly being in retreat from Republicans is reprehensible. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #36
But you haven't explained who benefits from pie in the sky MaggieD Dec 2015 #40
You define "pie in the sky" as "Whatever my candidate isn't lauding" Scootaloo Dec 2015 #44
Not at all and you know it MaggieD Dec 2015 #47
Yes, absolutely. If it were Clinton's plan, you would hail it as genius Scootaloo Dec 2015 #51
Johnson was able to bend arms successfully okasha Dec 2015 #68
The question was "how is it done." Scootaloo Dec 2015 #71
Dead wrong. okasha Dec 2015 #72
Except clinton has no plans to try. That's the problem Scootaloo Dec 2015 #75
You're still missing the point. okasha Dec 2015 #78
$11 is even more realistic. Why not $9.09? Super-realistic! How about scrip at Wal-mart? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #84
Yep, living wage. okasha Dec 2015 #88
You never addressed that MaggieD Dec 2015 #80
Alright, i'll play. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #85
Bernie? MaggieD Dec 2015 #89
You are not in reality AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #161
Oh I am - reality has a liberal bias MaggieD Dec 2015 #187
You call actual governing pie in the sky? AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #151
Thank you for your BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #16
You're welcome MaggieD Dec 2015 #41
Hillary's definitely a pragmatic progressive. Hortensis Dec 2015 #19
A Corporate Democrat that serves the Corps and 1% to the detriment of the 99% is NOT a Progressive Skwmom Dec 2015 #21
Give me a concrete example of what makes her a "corporate" Democrat? MaggieD Dec 2015 #31
Bernie is pragmatic and Hillary is not progressive. Other than that, I still don't agree. (nt) anti partisan Dec 2015 #25
Give me an example of one of his proposals that can pass MaggieD Dec 2015 #30
With sufficient voters turning out in the elections to elect democratic majorities? Anything. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #105
So again, which of his proposals can pass? MaggieD Dec 2015 #106
When I say Anything I mean any and all of his proposals. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #108
But you're not getting pro Bernie Dems in congress MaggieD Dec 2015 #109
. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #110
Bypass congress AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #152
Hillary Clinton as an enemy of elitism. Give me a fucking break. name not needed Dec 2015 #27
I don't think she dislikes elitists MaggieD Dec 2015 #32
progressive pragmatist take their money from Wall Street while liberal elitist take their money Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #35
Nah, there are lots of rich liberal elites MaggieD Dec 2015 #49
oh there are!! Although I never personally met one but sure the hell wish I was one Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #56
Not a "few" by any means MaggieD Dec 2015 #76
the core of Bernie's campaign are the grassroots activist. Though I have made it a habit to avoid Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #114
Who accomplish absolutely nothing MaggieD Dec 2015 #115
just a bit premature to say that now, isn't it? Some seem to equate pushing the progressive agenda Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #116
Not all at - 25 years to show he can't accomplish anything is not enough time? MaggieD Dec 2015 #117
the people of Vermont who keep reelecting him by overwhelming landslides don't agree Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #119
Great - maybe he can be president of Vermont then MaggieD Dec 2015 #125
I pledge to support Hillary if she is the nominee? Do you pledge to support Bernie if he is the Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #129
Absolutely not MaggieD Dec 2015 #131
WHERE IS THE TOMBSTONE FOR THIS POSTER? grasswire Dec 2015 #190
That is a lie AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #154
George Soros leftofcool Dec 2015 #62
Is he supporting Bernie or anyone from the left-wing of the Democratic Party? His fortune largely Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #65
We need both and everything in between alc Dec 2015 #37
I'm not sure that is true MaggieD Dec 2015 #42
This LGBT activist who was out and active way back to the late 70's disagrees with you very strongly Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #54
No you weren't MaggieD Dec 2015 #79
You don't know what he was up to then and you sure have no business claiming he was not an activist. Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #112
I know thousand of real LGBT activists MaggieD Dec 2015 #132
that's not what others remember. Practically every LGBT person I know likes Bernie and Hillary Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #139
Then they weren't actual activists MaggieD Dec 2015 #140
You obviously upset someone. Of course that's not hard to do these days. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2015 #120
I got a hide earlier for posting about Bernie's..... MaggieD Dec 2015 #133
Supporters of other candidates are woefully outnumbered on the internet, so it's to be expected. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2015 #182
I note that you hurl venonous accusations but never any evidence or specificity. HRC? Not my folks. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #171
"Stonewall means gay people want incremental progress!!" Remember that chant? I sure do. Just like Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #74
What a ridiculous analogy MaggieD Dec 2015 #82
One does not push for the minimum of what they can get to accomplish the goal - they push for the Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #111
One also does not pander to voters with pie in the sky MaggieD Dec 2015 #134
there was a time when social security was pie in the sky and gay marriage was certainly pie in the Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #138
The Stonewall activists were not thinking of marriage at all, Mags, they wanted the cops to stop Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #168
Liberal Elitism... WillyT Dec 2015 #43
Well you also had no idea that.... MaggieD Dec 2015 #48
I Never Said Anybody Was Stupid...I Just Suggested They May Be Voting Against Themselves... WillyT Dec 2015 #50
Uh, no you did not. leftofcool Dec 2015 #63
I can assure you, I am an LGBT person who is far, far from stupid MaggieD Dec 2015 #90
Very offensive!!!! bravenak Dec 2015 #98
Thread winner. okasha Dec 2015 #73
I despise all conspiracy themes politics ismnotwasm Dec 2015 #53
Great post workinclasszero Dec 2015 #57
Thank you MaggieD Dec 2015 #93
Hillary and her rich asshole buddies are the elitists. You fool no one. Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #58
You mean like John Lewis? leftofcool Dec 2015 #64
John Lewis turned his back on Hillary Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #70
Digging up some 8 year old article? MaggieD Dec 2015 #94
Here is what John Lewis said as he cast his No vote on DOMA: Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #173
John Lewis endorsed Clinton because he thinks she will win. Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #67
So do all her other endorsers MaggieD Dec 2015 #95
I am just saying it's not a big deal and that throwing around John Lewis as a defense of stupid Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #99
But Killer Mike is a "big deal" MaggieD Dec 2015 #102
Actually no and if you looked up my posts on Killer Mike I said it was cool but wouldn't change much Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #103
Reality check - it's Bernie who isn't fooling anyone MaggieD Dec 2015 #87
You seem really scared and insecure considering how well Clinton is doing in the polls. Perhaps you Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #100
You are mistaken MaggieD Dec 2015 #101
Opposite World. earthside Dec 2015 #59
Well said. K&R. n/t MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #69
Yes, because supporting the invasion of Iraq was so pragmatic. (sarcasm) Vattel Dec 2015 #81
Another surprising OP. artislife Dec 2015 #83
What do you mean by "progressive" versus "liberal"? Sanders is more progressive and more liberal Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #86
"liberal elitism" a phrase created in conservaative think tanks why use it? and if you want to see Todays_Illusion Dec 2015 #91
And I hate that Bernie co-opted the Dem party MaggieD Dec 2015 #92
And I hate that Hillary is turning the Democratic party Republican and blaiming liberals for it. Todays_Illusion Dec 2015 #96
Stain of McGovern? How dare you. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #107
the stain of McGovern? I am on DU now, am I not? Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #122
I think you're on BU MaggieD Dec 2015 #128
he was the first campaign that Bill and Hillary really threw themselves into Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #145
Well Bernie is NOT a DEM MaggieD Dec 2015 #126
It doesn't bother me I'm not a purist AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #147
You hate him for running against Clinton...Thats all Armstead Dec 2015 #113
I loathe him for reasons having nothing to do with Hillary MaggieD Dec 2015 #123
Well I guess he's just Satan Armstead Dec 2015 #127
He is in no way worthy of my vote MaggieD Dec 2015 #130
He isn't right wing enough apparently AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #149
This one resonates a LOT for me. BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #141
Bizarro world AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #148
Pragmatism and opportunism are two different things. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #135
Really? The guy who declared over and over he wasn't a Dem MaggieD Dec 2015 #136
No: he is principled. He sided with the Dems, but maintained his own Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #137
That person is shackled by purity AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #155
If that person's reasoning is considered pure, consider my mind impure! Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #156
That person calls for Democratic purity AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #158
Well, let's be forgiving when (s)he comes around. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #162
Indeed! AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #163
k&r baldguy Dec 2015 #142
Right wing deals are not pragmatic, they are stupid AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #146
This op nicely sums up everything that is wrong with the Democratic party today Kentonio Dec 2015 #157
Elitists want us to live in a dream world MaggieD Dec 2015 #166
The only 'elites' around here are you champagne liberals Kentonio Dec 2015 #172
I would counter that Obama was NOT the pragmatic choice early on, by any stretch Turn CO Blue Dec 2015 #165
I almost never agree with you zipplewrath Dec 2015 #178
Almost never agree with ME? I hardly ever post at all, rarely if ever start a discussion. Turn CO Blue Dec 2015 #181
Sorry, bad eyesight zipplewrath Dec 2015 #183
K&R ...for truth ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #169
The concept of viability needs to play a role in this discussion Gothmog Dec 2015 #174
Well I don't like him at all, but I agree MaggieD Dec 2015 #175
I lived throught those days. Gothmog Dec 2015 #189
Triangulation zipplewrath Dec 2015 #177
I have never seen a so-called LGBT "activist" know so little of LGBT history before Prism Dec 2015 #179
The only thing that is progressive about Hillarot sonofspy777 Dec 2015 #184
I love this post so much! (Kick) NurseJackie Dec 2015 #185
Thank you! MaggieD Dec 2015 #186
The premise of your article makes my face twitch furiously as a political scientist. Chan790 Dec 2015 #188
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