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Waiting For Everyman

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21. Anyone who doesn't see the value of the Constitution has an awful lot to learn.
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 06:33 AM
Dec 2015

And if you think you can do without stable, sanely and representatively governed nation-states, you will end up with a one-world totalitarianism (or widespread anarchy which will eventually be the same thing), sure as shit.

But it isn't really my problem, it's yours, because thankfully I probably won't be around to see it. Your aspirations are too similar to the anti-government right for me. But to each his own. In this country, fortunately, we have a right to be wrong. We each have our own responsibility (to ourselves and the future) to think for ourselves and come to appropriate and correct judgments. If we don't, we pay for it that's all. There is a price-tag to being wrong, and it's high. But that's the way reality is too, isn't it, and there's no way to avoid that by enforcing our own supposedly correct beliefs on others. Constitutional democracy is a mess, but better than all the alternatives.

You're bright, you're articulate, and you're thinking. That's all wonderful. Someday (if you're fortunate enough to live long enough) you'll see things a lot differently, is all I can tell you. The situation isn't at all the way you think it is now. As a young person, that is unavoidable. It isn't at all what people blithely suppose it to be. Real vision doesn't come easy and it doesn't come quick, and it isn't common knowledge.

The main quality lacking, as far as I can see, is gratitude. You stand on some very tall shoulders, which you don't seem to recognize, let alone understand, the value of at all. That is a huge mistake. Self-hate, even collectively, does not lead to anywhere on the sanity spectrum. It's a chronic neurosis, which I have seen too often used as a very effective lever to lead people into some very dangerous cults (a major blight of the current time... there's a very good book on the cult phenomenon btw called Snapping by Flo Conway and Jim Siegelman, everyone today should read it), and other manipulative, predatory relationships.

I couldn't agree more with what you've said about HRC though.

Good luck out there in the world, to you, and to all the millenials. You'll need it. Keep educating yourself and learn all you can about what happened before your time, and the cons that have been pulled before -- because the same ones are always pulled over again with a new generation who haven't seen them before, you'll be shocked at how true that is. I believe it's your only hope. (I mean "you" collectively, of course.) It's what each new generation has had to realize and then learn to do.

Life is not a John Lennon song. Too many people seem confused about that. Ask yourself, who does internationalism benefit... everyday people? or the mega-rich?






13 generations of my family went into this place, I sure hope those after us don't lose it once us oldsters are gone. But as I said, I won't be here to see it. I'd like to think this generation won't be the first one to fail as caretakers of what was given them.
my daughter could SO relate to you dana_b Dec 2015 #1
I don't think anyone could fault you for thinking for yourself. randome Dec 2015 #2
Replying in vain - hoping you continue to post. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #3
Great read farleftlib Dec 2015 #4
Great rant. By the way did you see Buttcracker this last weekend? I was there on Sat the rhett o rick Dec 2015 #5
brilliant artislife Dec 2015 #6
This old lady mostly agrees with you. SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #7
K & R Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #8
This old lady likes what you've said. I really do. And thank you for saying it so well. CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2015 #9
No flames here. LWolf Dec 2015 #10
I think you may have met fredamae Dec 2015 #11
Great post and you've expressed much needed viewpoints. Come back when you can! whereisjustice Dec 2015 #12
Seriously that is a great rant. I hope you don't mind if I quote you since you said it so well. nm rhett o rick Dec 2015 #13
There are too many groups and people who want to topple the government question everything Dec 2015 #14
The problem with your thinking is that HRC will fall to the same fate that Gore did in 2000. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #18
Those that are fans of HRC won't read what you wrote. They don't want to hear reality. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #15
We do. And we add out comment (nt) question everything Dec 2015 #16
Excellent Discussion! You Do Understand to At Least An 85% Degree Where WE Are As A Nation CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #17
All in all, I think Hillary is the best the PTB will offer. GeorgeGist Dec 2015 #19
K & R for visibility of this N/T w0nderer Dec 2015 #20
Anyone who doesn't see the value of the Constitution has an awful lot to learn. Waiting For Everyman Dec 2015 #21
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