Earning their votes is not equivalent to bringing them into the Party. (Reply #25)

In the discussion thread: Sen. Sanders: I know you mean well, but I don't WANT those people in our party [View all]

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:27 AM

Maedhros (10,007 posts)

25. Earning their votes is not equivalent to bringing them into the Party.

Bernie is NOT appropriating any of their rhetoric into his platform. He's not triangulating by playing to the Right - for example, by posing as "tough on Iran" to finagle conservative votes.

He's sticking to his guns and pitching his ideas to them, and asking them to buy in.

Asking Bernie to not even try to earn their votes is unreasonable. If he can peel even a few percentage points away from Trump, that would give him an edge that Hillary could never, ever have.

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166 replies	Author	Time	Post
Sen. Sanders: I know you mean well, but I don't WANT those people in our party [View all]	Empowerer	Dec 2015	OP
I think Bernie's tone is more about everyone being included in policy. Not a 'party'. As he states	ViseGrip	Dec 2015	#1
Then let me put it this way	Empowerer	Dec 2015	#4
I don't want "those people" in our party.	tecelote	Dec 2015	#38
"Those people" =	BlueMTexpat	Dec 2015	#39
Hating back and excluding people is not the answer.	tecelote	Dec 2015	#40
I was not arguing that they	BlueMTexpat	Dec 2015	#41
Bernie is not going after Trump supporters and ignoring his base.	tecelote	Dec 2015	#47
You are MUCH more optimistic	BlueMTexpat	Dec 2015	#50
There's always a risk.	tecelote	Dec 2015	#64
Not every Republican is a 'die hard racist and sexist bigot'	AgingAmerican	Dec 2015	#101
Bernie is wooing Trump supporters	Sheepshank	Dec 2015	#118
by appealing to them from the LEFT	AgingAmerican	Dec 2015	#136
Maybe some glitter and paper snowflake cut outs will aid all that leftward appealing? Nt	Sheepshank	Dec 2015	#138
Well, that was profound!	AgingAmerican	Dec 2015	#142
True. But I was	BlueMTexpat	Dec 2015	#120
Tea-partiers are almost entirely strong social conservatives.	Hortensis	Dec 2015	#79
He is appealing to a certain subset of Republicans FROM THE LEFT	AgingAmerican	Dec 2015	#99
Who was talking about "every" Republican? Not me.	Hortensis	Dec 2015	#112
Social conservatives are morons	AgingAmerican	Dec 2015	#137
I believe Hillary supporters are jealous of Sanders ability to appeal to a wider audience	AgingAmerican	Dec 2015	#95
"Something Hillary will never be able to do."	tecelote	Dec 2015	#107
I think you have found yourself a purpose to get you out from behind your keyboard	Sheepshank	Dec 2015	#119
Reacting against offensive behavior is not offensive behavior - it's rational behavior.	baldguy	Dec 2015	#63
No doubt, there are a lot of assholes that are Trump supporters.	tecelote	Dec 2015	#67
I don't blame you--Trump supporters are unafraid to beat up black and brown people.	MADem	Dec 2015	#55
THANK you!	Empowerer	Dec 2015	#85
When did Bernie "invite bigots" into our party?	Qutzupalotl	Dec 2015	#128
Is that not the premise of this thread?	MADem	Dec 2015	#135
Did you miss this from your link?	Qutzupalotl	Dec 2015	#166
Obama ran using anti gay hate preachers at his rallies. People who called us vampires and child	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2015	#69
It's never been about party building for Sanders	Sheepshank	Dec 2015	#5
+1	Dawson Leery	Dec 2015	#7
It ain't about the party, it's about the direction we're going as a country ...	ThePhilosopher04	Dec 2015	#10
I see you feel the Republicans don't need a unified front to keep them in check	Sheepshank	Dec 2015	#17
bernie party of one cares not about down ticket democrats or their welfare nt	msongs	Dec 2015	#34
Bingo. nt	MADem	Dec 2015	#56
Clinton supporters	ejbr	Dec 2015	#58
You got that right! He never had a kind thing to say about the democratic party	FloridaBlues	Dec 2015	#59
DWS has been destroying the Democratic Party for years, not Bernie	AZ Progressive	Dec 2015	#113
Ironically, it is the same argument used by some circles that the so-called "3rd way Democrats" are	still_one	Dec 2015	#108
Well said.	Sheepshank	Dec 2015	#2
I believe some could be deprogrammed	PowerToThePeople	Dec 2015	#3
I know many Sanders supporters think he walks on water and has magical powers that no one else has	Empowerer	Dec 2015	#9
I do not think it can be done with the actions of a single person	PowerToThePeople	Dec 2015	#11
Below I linked to your OP crafted excuses for the use of Rick 'gays are pedophiles' Warren by Obama	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2015	#74
Bravo! Pursuant to your point, the OP's 'concern' for civil rights strangely	KingCharlemagne	Dec 2015	#102
I would love for you to do a full tour of my previous posts - you might actually learn something	Empowerer	Dec 2015	#109
A quote from that link, in which you find a way to praise the use of an anti gay activist"	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2015	#154
So	JackInGreen	Dec 2015	#6
Let them correct their shit first, THEN we can talk	Empowerer	Dec 2015	#14
I'm sorry what you're sounding like is only interested in dominance	JackInGreen	Dec 2015	#24
That sounds like the GOP on foreign relations. You don't reach people by not talking to them.	cui bono	Dec 2015	#29
They give Bernie their vote..and suddenly they are 100% in for Socialist leadership?	Sheepshank	Dec 2015	#15
This! Absolutely this!	-none	Dec 2015	#127
Yes, I know....	daleanime	Dec 2015	#8
Do you count yourself	BlueMTexpat	Dec 2015	#42
They're misguided and their anger is misguided	Matariki	Dec 2015	#12
+1	ejbr	Dec 2015	#57
+Infinity! - nt	KingCharlemagne	Dec 2015	#98
+1	Martin Eden	Dec 2015	#134
I suspect some of the people who are supporting Trump right now	The Velveteen Ocelot	Dec 2015	#13
You may not think they're racists and white supremacists and teabaggers . . .	Empowerer	Dec 2015	#18
Thankfully, Bernie is not as predjudiced as you are.	Maedhros	Dec 2015	#26
^^^This.	artislife	Dec 2015	#45
+10,000 nt	Live and Learn	Dec 2015	#89
I'm not buying in to hate	Empowerer	Dec 2015	#93
Just out of curiosity, did you exhibit the same degree of concern for the 1,000,000 innocent	KingCharlemagne	Dec 2015	#103
You are making assumptions about people you have never met and know almost nothing about.	Maedhros	Dec 2015	#140
Interesting-I look forward to seeing Sanders supporters step away from that Bernie v. Hillary feud,	Empowerer	Dec 2015	#143
I support Sanders reaching out to Clinton supporters. [n/t]	Maedhros	Dec 2015	#144
I hear what Empowerer is saying and I understand it.	Skidmore	Dec 2015	#147
well said	grasswire	Dec 2015	#22
+1	Martin Eden	Dec 2015	#131
It is shocking to me how many haven't a clue how a 2 way	pipoman	Dec 2015	#16
And it's shocking to me how many people don't have a clue that a 2-way race does not require	Empowerer	Dec 2015	#20
Wrong	pipoman	Dec 2015	#23
So then why did Obama 'reach out' to anti gay conservatives like Rick Warren? Why did Hillary do	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2015	#81
To get to the two-way race,	BlueMTexpat	Dec 2015	#44
There are a lot here who are quick to pretend to know who is supporting Trump	pipoman	Dec 2015	#87
Don't worry, it will fail.	Starry Messenger	Dec 2015	#19
let's use my cousin as an example of a Trump supporter	grasswire	Dec 2015	#21
+1000 nt	Live and Learn	Dec 2015	#90
I really wish you would consider fashioning this into an OP and	KingCharlemagne	Dec 2015	#105
Excellent post	Martin Eden	Dec 2015	#133
Earning their votes is not equivalent to bringing them into the Party.	Maedhros	Dec 2015	#25
He is triangulating.	Skidmore	Dec 2015	#129
What common ground do they share?	ucrdem	Dec 2015	#27
Yeah, there is that.. solid common ground on the ODS.. will that be enough to leave the charismatic	Cha	Dec 2015	#155
I see what you mean,	Nyan	Dec 2015	#28
Exactly. Racists should be ostracized, not legitimized as coveted supporters. nt	SunSeeker	Dec 2015	#30
Sounds desperate.. what a turn off.	Cha	Dec 2015	#156
Please see post #162 for an excellent refutation.	JonLeibowitz	Dec 2015	#164
I don't associate with racists and bigots.	Tortmaster	Dec 2015	#31
right--only yuppies and neolib cultists need to be allowed in!	MisterP	Dec 2015	#32
Well we have to keep out those undesirable hateful types	JackInGreen	Dec 2015	#33
These voters	TSIAS	Dec 2015	#35
Heh.	artislife	Dec 2015	#48
Hmmmm.... let's see.... exactly who was it who said:	BigBearJohn	Dec 2015	#36
Exactly - he called them 'Obamacans'!	beam me up scottie	Dec 2015	#43
That is a 2014 quote from President Barack Obama	BlueMTexpat	Dec 2015	#49
Here you'll need these:	beam me up scottie	Dec 2015	#51
Actually, it's a quote from, Barack Obama, candidate for U.S. Senate as he delivered the keynote	BigBearJohn	Dec 2015	#141
Thanks for the correction about it being said earlier, BBJ!	BlueMTexpat	Dec 2015	#152
I feel so besmirched!	Helen Borg	Dec 2015	#37
Those folks have been voting against their own interests for years	greymattermom	Dec 2015	#46
Your assumption about all Trump supporters being of a single mind is flawed.	Scuba	Dec 2015	#52
^ This.	bvf	Dec 2015	#61
Imagine	Deny and Shred	Dec 2015	#84
The cognitive dissonance is strong in Camp Weathervane.	Scuba	Dec 2015	#86
I'm a little suprised...	MrWendel	Dec 2015	#53
I think Clintons idea of a big tent is...	NCTraveler	Dec 2015	#54
Clinton's tent is a two-man; only has room for Lloyd and Jamie.	Scuba	Dec 2015	#62
Ok. If that is what the know facts are telling you.	NCTraveler	Dec 2015	#66
Rick Fucking Warren. I was told I needed to be okay with Rick Fucking Warren. So - I don't buy the	djean111	Dec 2015	#60
The OP praised the use of Warren as brilliant juxtapositioning...	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2015	#72
Again, they must honestly believe the rest of us have amnesia and don't know how to search	djean111	Dec 2015	#73
No what they believe is that we are inferior and that denigrating us does not count.	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2015	#76
No, I didn't - and shame on you for blatantly misrepresenting my previous comments	Empowerer	Dec 2015	#88
Everyone can see that you cast the 'symbolism' in a shiny, favorable golden light.	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2015	#157
+1000 nt	Live and Learn	Dec 2015	#91
'besmirch"	Enrique	Dec 2015	#65
.	stonecutter357	Dec 2015	#82
And I don't want Jamie dimon. So?	Doctor_J	Dec 2015	#68
Hey OP if you did not loudly denounce Rick Warren and Kirbyjon Caldwell and Donnie McClurkin	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2015	#70
It's like they don't think we have our memories and Teh Googler, isn't it? :-) n/t	djean111	Dec 2015	#71
I think it reflects their grossly prejudiced views of LGBT and their own supremacist ideas about	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2015	#77
I most certainly did in real time and I have the same problem the OP does with going after Trump	dsc	Dec 2015	#106
We have differing views of Obama's first years. He very much felt that the process he engaged in	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2015	#159
again I was loudly and longly complaining about Obama's conduct in this	dsc	Dec 2015	#160
It doesn't make sense to totally dismiss such a large chunk of the population.	Vinca	Dec 2015	#75
You burned that bridge down for Rick Warren, pal. You need to step up and discuss this bullshit.	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2015	#78
You're lying.	Empowerer	Dec 2015	#96
The links are right here in this thread and others can judge your lack of consistency and also I	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2015	#158
Hillary's sermon at Rick Warren's Saddleback Church was a peach. All about how great Rick is	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2015	#80
Comparing this cycle to 08 really spotlights the homophobes on DU.	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2015	#83
Sen. Clinton: I don't want this person in our party:	KingCharlemagne	Dec 2015	#92
You just do not get it	AgingAmerican	Dec 2015	#94
Hard core bigots will not be moved--others whose motives are primarily economic--maybe so.	bklyncowgirl	Dec 2015	#97
The fact that so many of you are attacking an OP that objects to aligning with bigots	Empowerer	Dec 2015	#100
You can't stop them from voting	My Good Babushka	Dec 2015	#104
When you start with flawed assumptions...	99Forever	Dec 2015	#110
Yes you do...	MellowDem	Dec 2015	#111
The 30% or so of Republicans that are backing Trump	redstateblues	Dec 2015	#114
Your point is an interesting one	Empowerer	Dec 2015	#116
Too bad your party is getting smaller and smaller all the time.	Autumn	Dec 2015	#115
Up to this point in the thread, there's been a thrashing.	Juicy_Bellows	Dec 2015	#117
Have you been okay,	LWolf	Dec 2015	#121
No, I haven't been ok with it - and have actively fought against it	Empowerer	Dec 2015	#122
While I fully	LWolf	Dec 2015	#125
Well put LWolf. I am not as concerned with the voters as I am those in power. They are the ones to	liberal_at_heart	Dec 2015	#123
+10,000 I couldn't agree more. Great post. nt	Live and Learn	Dec 2015	#145
Bernie is not going to jepordize his base for Trumps racists	Ferd Berfel	Dec 2015	#124
People can change. But they have to be reached first	Tom Rinaldo	Dec 2015	#126
I find it instructive...	Koinos	Dec 2015	#130
Elections are won with cross-over votes. It does not mean that they joined the party.	Hiraeth	Dec 2015	#132
I doubt anybody thinks that Bernie or anyone else can win over all or	Douglas Carpenter	Dec 2015	#139
+1000 You are so right. I have talked quite a few 'Trump supporters' in to voting for Bernie.	Live and Learn	Dec 2015	#146
Bernie is trying to grow the party. Hillary is trying to shrink the party.	jfern	Dec 2015	#148
"These people" are part of our electorate and our country.	Live and Learn	Dec 2015	#149
There are millions of decent, non-racist people - including many people of color - who don't hate,	Empowerer	Dec 2015	#151
Better to try to bring people to the left	RedCappedBandit	Dec 2015	#150
Obama 08 did concerts and rallies with anti gay preachers such as Donnie 'war on gays' McClurkin	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2015	#153
Hillary Clinton's opening remarks to Rick Warren's Church.	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2015	#161
Uh... yeah....	kenfrequed	Dec 2015	#162
Nicely said. Thank you	riversedge	Dec 2015	#163
Hillary Supporters are trying to bring corporatists and Republicans-Light into our party.	Betty Karlson	Dec 2015	#165

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