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Response to dsc (Reply #106)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 10:24 AM

159. We have differing views of Obama's first years. He very much felt that the process he engaged in

 

was needed to get where we had to be to make progress. So I fought him tooth and nail to provide the pushback I'd been told he'd want. 'Make for him the set and setting, he will play his part'.
So my advice to the OP and to you would be to do what I did, I supported Obama while being very critical of his methods around LGBT rights Making for him the set and the setting. Making sure as well that any of those religious bigots that did cross over for Obama knew it meant a change for them, not that we were going to change to suit their bigotry.

And to be blunt, Obama did events with bigoted preachers, at which he echoed their anti gay views in a more moderate fashion. Sanders is just saying 'you are wrong to vote for Republicans and should vote for me instead'. He's not saying 'you are right and I agree'. He is not doing rallies with speakers of hate who urge bigoted laws against minority groups. Obama did that. So the comparison is weak indeed.

Hillary also went to Rick Warren's church where she praised Rick and his congregation, spoke as one of them, and excused herself and the whole 'faith community' for mistreating AIDS patients in the early days of the crisis. They were afraid, so it's ok that they abused others. They were scared. We were dying, but they were scared.
I could spin Hillary at Saddleback very poorly. I could also spin it more kindly. Some here would start in about The Family and all of that, not me. I know who The Family is and they do not like Hillary, nor Bill, at all. But she did go there,to ask for support. From bigots. It's politics.

I would like to offer carefully that in part, this seems to suggest that Christians who pander to Christian bigots are acceptable to this Party while others are not. I would hate to think this is the case.

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