2016 Postmortem

delrem

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16. Isn't that what some people think Dems ought to always do? Every time?

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 02:12 AM

Jan 2016

Shouldn't Dems always be reacting to Republicans, trying their best to please them - so Republicans don't say so many bad things?
Shouldn't everything that Dems stand for be defined to please Republicans? After all, unlike Dems who have nothing, Republicans have the filibuster to stop any independent Dem policy in its tracks. That's history.
I'm confused on this -- it seems to be a default go-to argument of many Dems who post to DU and though I don't like it at all, it sure seems to be a popular political approach.

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I find the phrase "Feel the Bern" off-putting. It feels like a taunt, not an invitation . . . [View all] Empowerer Jan 2016 OP

I don't find it that way at all. It's clever and catchy. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #1

Did you ever exercise ? You don't make PROGRESS without the BERN! Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #103

Personally, I do not like exercise, but I understand the concept. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #105

LOL Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #107

no, you are over thinking it JI7 Jan 2016 #2

I would feel that way if the Samders campaign were the source of it. arcane1 Jan 2016 #3

This. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #101

I suppose you can take it many different ways. For me it is just an indicator of how liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #4

Same... could it be some here are just being overly sensitive? Maybe even to suit their own purposes? InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #136

Why yes, yes it could. I think they're also jealous of it. cui bono Jan 2016 #174

Supporters of third-way, investment banking interests and war profiteering, delrem Jan 2016 #5

I'm neither Republican nor a supporter of third-way, investment banking interests, war profiteering Empowerer Jan 2016 #7

Oh, your posts confuse me then, and I've read a few. delrem Jan 2016 #9

I kinda wish this was not an anonymous board sometimes wildeyed Jan 2016 #213

No, it's not. wildeyed Jan 2016 #212

I repeat. delrem Jan 2016 #221

I did and do. It IS off-putting. But Republicans LOVE "the Bern" slogan. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #6

So if a GOP strategist had used "Hope & Change" a few times Obama should have given it up? JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #8

Isn't that what some people think Dems ought to always do? Every time? delrem Jan 2016 #16

... BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #21

What an exceptionally mature response. I expected nothing less. n/t JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #43

It's all your attempts at deflection are worth. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #44

I have deflected nothing. I have pointed out the absurd positions you would put our candidates in. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #45

Bull. You were trying to deflect from the fact that prominent Republican strategists support Sanders BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #104

Gosh, it's a good thing they never supported Obama back when he was running against Clinton! Kentonio Jan 2016 #110

Did they? Can you provide a link (just as I have) to an article that substantiates your claim? BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #112

You've forgotten about 'Operation Chaos' already? Kentonio Jan 2016 #115

I don't pay Limbaugh as much heed as you apparently do. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #125

I didn't think it needed links to be quite honest, its hardly a secret. Kentonio Jan 2016 #134

Well, when you "ask" another poster to BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #138

Given your refusal to answer a request of mine because you called me biased and close minded Kentonio Jan 2016 #142

The difference is, your supposition has zero basis in truth. My claim is documented. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #144

You are backing up your claim with an article that is 6 months old. cui bono Jan 2016 #155

That post makes no sense. What "painful truth"? cui bono Jan 2016 #153

prominent Republican strategists support Sanders AlbertCat Jan 2016 #193

This is why we have the "ignore" feature on this site Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #182

Deflection? You are the one who claimed something about the GOP and linked to an article that didn't cui bono Jan 2016 #76

Well it doesn't take much to deflect ellipses kenfrequed Jan 2016 #179

You ask some very good questions. Unfortunately, our mutual interlocutor is not interested JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #37

Perhaps because my questions sort of implicitly define "third way politics". delrem Jan 2016 #42

Non sequitur. And blatant deflection. NO GOP strategist rushed to twitter to support Obama. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #19

It is not a deflection, it points the absurdity of what you wish. Also, you didn't answer. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #31

It is absolutely deflection only, it failed. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #34

Free speech is not the right to not speak, just so you know. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #39

Never said it was. And I did "speak". You just didn't like my response. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #48

Very juvenile as your choice of cartoons reflect. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #55

On par with how I think of your posts. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #58

Cute but still juvenile. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #59

Again, on par with how I think of your posts. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #63

And again, juvenile. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #66

On par with the maturity of your post. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #100

Seems Hillary has the kindergarten vote. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #121

Feel the BURN, Fawke! BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #129

.. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #132

... BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #135

I see you got some new toys for Christmas. Have fun. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #150

What a mature response. SheilaT Jan 2016 #170

Well yeah, true Glamrock Jan 2016 #206

Or with like slogans like "gobernie"." Dems still quaking in their boots over what Repubs do. Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #52

It's like there's a huge reservoir of them, delrem Jan 2016 #69

That poster totally missed the entire point of the article. cui bono Jan 2016 #82

Thank you! Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #187

I don't remember seeing a lot of posts from DU's left fretting about what merrily Jan 2016 #186

No, it is not offputting at all. It is positive and uplifting and empowering. cui bono Jan 2016 #75

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #109

"anti-PoC votes"?! Kentonio Jan 2016 #111

Yes. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #123

I'll remind you of this next time you take issue with someone smearing Clinton. Kentonio Jan 2016 #126

Aw, thanks, Ken. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #131

Wow! I missed that when I read her post. cui bono Jan 2016 #152

"His anti-PoC votes..." brentspeak Jan 2016 #118

Yep. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #140

"anti-Poc votes"??? Links? That is a flat out LIE. Bernie has fought for civil rights for DECADES. cui bono Jan 2016 #148

+100000 nashville_brook Jan 2016 #156

Would you prefer "Cut It Out"? brentspeak Jan 2016 #117

?? And this has *what* to do with my post? BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #124

I have other concerns, such as that it reminds me of venereal diseases. However, I got over it. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #10

Ha Ha - that's funny Empowerer Jan 2016 #13

hey well, feel the bern, baby! delrem Jan 2016 #78

"Feel the burn" is a fitness meme. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #15

I know the phrase's origin - Empowerer Jan 2016 #18

Except for exercise fanatics. They love it. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #20

There is some congruity with the Sanders campaign, Maedhros Jan 2016 #202

Well that is your opinion. No one says you have to adopt it. For those who like it they use it. liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #22

Wow Empowerer Jan 2016 #27

Wow? There is hardly anything harsh about either one of my posts. I simply said if you don't like it liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #29

Most people do. It really seems to irritate a few though. Live and Learn Jan 2016 #57

I would say you are overreacting to the response you are calling an "interesting" 'reaction'. cui bono Jan 2016 #71

I've heard that, but as I (and most of the country) am not a fitness nut that meaning is lost on me. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #40

As we have seen with this thread any word or phrase can be taken more than one way. It is liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #54

I never took it that way Glamrock Jan 2016 #208

"I'm feeling Bernie" could have awkward connotations. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #209

I was thinking the same thing as I typed it. Glamrock Jan 2016 #210

A burn is also slang for a particularly witty or effective insult. wildeyed Jan 2016 #214

It's funny and I thought of that too. delrem Jan 2016 #74

Doesn't put me off, but was surprised, elleng Jan 2016 #11

That's very surprising, since the grass roots rallying cry has nothing to do with "eating hot sauce" delrem Jan 2016 #26

There is a 'Feel the Bern' challenge going around. Live and Learn Jan 2016 #61

Yah, I can understand that. Not so much the scenario that elleng described, delrem Jan 2016 #64

I only feel it's an insult when used by those not supporting the Sanders campaign mythology Jan 2016 #12

I don't think that people shouldn't say it if they want. Empowerer Jan 2016 #14

It isn't any wonder to a Sanders supporter delrem Jan 2016 #28

So, I must be a right winger "without a progressive bone in my body" Empowerer Jan 2016 #30

Yes. delrem Jan 2016 #38

Yup you dared to question something to do with Senator Sanders and not in a 100% positive way. zappaman Jan 2016 #137

Indeed! Chemisse Jan 2016 #159

This message was self-deleted by its author Chemisse Jan 2016 #160

Right? wildeyed Jan 2016 #216

It's about energy, fire and a message that spreads Android3.14 Jan 2016 #17

Not sure why you would assume that I'm looking for taunts Empowerer Jan 2016 #23

Oh, brother. earthside Jan 2016 #24

I do? Empowerer Jan 2016 #25

A one who admires word play, I find it... 3catwoman3 Jan 2016 #32

No. Leave it alone. It is clever and catchy. AgadorSparticus Jan 2016 #33

"Leave it alone?" Empowerer Jan 2016 #36

As if you could do anything. Christ, it's just an expression. AgadorSparticus Jan 2016 #51

Word. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #62

Ok. I just saw this boobs video. How freaking hilarious And clever! AgadorSparticus Jan 2016 #220

Except whine n/t Oilwellian Jan 2016 #173

I never liked catch phrases. I like to think for myself. rusty quoin Jan 2016 #35

I want the 1% to feel the burn putitinD Jan 2016 #41

Naw it's funny and self depreciating while making a point Armstead Jan 2016 #46

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #65

I don't see it as self deprecating at all. cui bono Jan 2016 #79

A taunt to whom? Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #47

The OP. delrem Jan 2016 #49

I Saw A Feel The Bern Round Bumper Sticker Today Yallow Jan 2016 #50

I agree with you. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #53

Looks like the op got berned Sheepshank Jan 2016 #56

So long as you aren't put off by it, who gives a shit? delrem Jan 2016 #68

Doesn't really matter if I'm put off by it or not Sheepshank Jan 2016 #106

Interesting, isn't it? Empowerer Jan 2016 #85

Sad really. The over the top viciousness is very self-defeating. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #119

It's neither a taunt or an invitation Kalidurga Jan 2016 #60

It seems to appeal to a select group of people. pnwmom Jan 2016 #67

Could you be any more condescending? cui bono Jan 2016 #84

Really??? It's totally positive and uplifting! cui bono Jan 2016 #70

I love the phrase! silverweb Jan 2016 #72

Funny, because I find the phrase "Ready for Hillary" artislife Jan 2016 #73

Or something inevitable that we should be ready to be embraced by... JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #77

"Ready for Hillary" is so last year! delrem Jan 2016 #80

Honestly, I find posts like these off-putting demwing Jan 2016 #81

that is simply not how other people interpret it Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #83

Exactly ... from day one. But ... NurseJackie Jan 2016 #86

That's an interesting take that hadn't occurred to me Empowerer Jan 2016 #88

even the score questionseverything Jan 2016 #157

Looking at Bernie's poll numbers and political endorsements ... NurseJackie Jan 2016 #167

Well... quickesst Jan 2016 #87

Why do you feel it's a taunt? Smarmie Doofus Jan 2016 #89

Maybe because "burn" is not a pleasant thing, so telling someone to "feel it" sounds harsh to me Empowerer Jan 2016 #98

well, as you have said - "OK" demwing Jan 2016 #128

Many variations in the way "burn" has been used. Smarmie Doofus Jan 2016 #145

It's spelled "Bern". cui bono Jan 2016 #151

Your post is a perfect illustration of why the phrase is off-putting Empowerer Jan 2016 #158

No, I don't "intend" to taunt. You are the one who is bringing up possible "negative" connotations. cui bono Jan 2016 #162

I certainly don't owe you any explanation for why I choose to post anything, but watching you Empowerer Jan 2016 #171

So I can presume my supposition was right. cui bono Jan 2016 #172

Please go on Empowerer Jan 2016 #175

So what did you hope to accomplish by posting the OP or this last post of yours? cui bono Jan 2016 #176

Feel the Bernout is gaining popularity. R B Garr Jan 2016 #181

Makes me think of his past writing. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #90

Or that old Bill Clinton Bern? Armstead Jan 2016 #93

Love me some Big Dog. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #94

I don't think slogans are worth thinking about one way or the other. Vinca Jan 2016 #91

That was kind of my initial reaction. 99Forever Jan 2016 #92

Yep, those that don't like it just haven't felt it yet. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #149

So... gordyfl Jan 2016 #95

Love it! Catchy and clever. nc4bo Jan 2016 #96

ok. n/t tazkcmo Jan 2016 #97

Agreed. And it is used here like a taunt with a R B Garr Jan 2016 #99

Did you ever exercise ? You don't get anywhere without the BERN! Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #102

Reminds me of "The 70s Show" itsrobert Jan 2016 #108

I found Hillary likening herself to my abuela to be off-putting. Like mockery... Autumn Jan 2016 #113

OK Empowerer Jan 2016 #114

It's like "Wipe the server? You mean, like with a cloth?" JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #116

No. LWolf Jan 2016 #120

Yes, I do bobGandolf Jan 2016 #122

LOL! merrily Jan 2016 #127

I find someone who finds "Feel the Bern" off-putting an off-putting type of person. Ciao forever. nt valerief Jan 2016 #130

The "bern" is inside. Come on baby light my fire kind of thing. nt thereismore Jan 2016 #133

It is a taunt. nt Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #139

And I find the phrase "Ready for Hillary" just weird... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #141

I don't think it's supposed to mean *anything*. Smarmie Doofus Jan 2016 #166

ok fine,here wendylaroux Jan 2016 #143

I have no problem with it. It's nice peaceful little town DFW Jan 2016 #146

To me it evokes the idea of hard work for great gain. Striving for a goal. Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #147

No I don't feel that way shanti Jan 2016 #154

When I first heard it (actually, first read it - on DU) Chemisse Jan 2016 #161

Any Mass Movement On the Road Jan 2016 #163

I tend not to go through life perpetually microaggrieved... SMC22307 Jan 2016 #164

I'm 60, and don't relate to it either. grntuscarora Jan 2016 #165

I'm 60 as well, and... Oilwellian Jan 2016 #177

First heard it from Jane as well. Jane is 78 years old. Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #191

Ah, I was busy that decade and missed it. grntuscarora Jan 2016 #194

I don't like anything . olddots Jan 2016 #168

I find the term "Third Way" off putting ..... TheFarS1de Jan 2016 #169

sounds like a foot fungus commercial dlwickham Jan 2016 #178

We must confess, it is a personal taunt to YOU. artislife Jan 2016 #180

That's funny. Empowerer Jan 2016 #183

Then why did you write this I**tic OP? artislife Jan 2016 #184

Oh? I thought the campaign was casting a wide net because Bernie's going to unite the country ... Empowerer Jan 2016 #185

No. "Ready for Hillary" was far more 'taunting', if that is how you define it. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #188

Oh, please - stop with the persecution complex Empowerer Jan 2016 #189

Persecution complex? This OP is about you thinking a punster sly campaign slogan is a 'taunt'. Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #190

Some context for those who might have missed such things: Etymology 'Feel The Burn'-The phrase Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #192

But in this decade, wildeyed Jan 2016 #217

Makes me cringe a little... ecstatic Jan 2016 #195

Sanders Group uses it as a taunt itsrobert Jan 2016 #196

The truth sure is inconvenient , isn't it ? TheFarS1de Jan 2016 #197

Why should it offend me? itsrobert Jan 2016 #198

Why would you consider the truth to be a taunt ? TheFarS1de Jan 2016 #199

Scaring a person's face with "BERNED" is not a taunt? itsrobert Jan 2016 #203

Scaring ? TheFarS1de Jan 2016 #207

That's exactly how I see it! In--your-face kind of R B Garr Jan 2016 #211

All political campain slogans are dumb olddots Jan 2016 #200

LOL randys1 Jan 2016 #201

Get over it (nt) matt819 Jan 2016 #204

Get over what? itsrobert Jan 2016 #205

Hillary 'I told Wall St to cut it out' rather off-putting as well, no real change will occur. nt slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #215

I know that stupid phrase guaranteed I would never even consider Sanders. eom MohRokTah Jan 2016 #218

Sure it's the reason ... TheFarS1de Jan 2016 #219

Deep. As deep as I've ever seen you get. Congrats. n/t delrem Jan 2016 #222