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zazen

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21. here's a mostly undiscussed factor: many evangelicals LOVE Jews & Israel
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jan 2016

I think some of it comes from a very sincere analysis of the roots of their faith. You saw it in some of the comments of the students at Liberty, who interpreted Bernie in the Old Testament prophet-in-the-wilderness jeremiad tradition. I was really impressed by a few of those students who really seemed to be earnestly listening.

Then you have a much more recent intensification of a century old believe on the part of a lot of millennialist evangelicals that Jesus will only return after some sort of peace in the Mideast.

You've got a natural America-first-we-hate-Nazis-and-love-all-relatives-of-Holocaust-survivors thread among more traditionally patriotic Americans (I think all reasonable people from most political groups hate Nazis and are horrified by the Holocaust), but evangelicals (if you watch their tv shows) are seriously into pointing out how much Israeli Jews have suffered (especially ones in their 80s and 90s) and how much Americans should help them. They raise money for them A LOT.

And with the whipped up anger at Muslims, evangelicals turn to Israel because they think Israel is the original victim.

The Israel right exploits this somewhat over here. I've talked to Republican Jews who tell me the the cause of Israel and the cause of America are identical.

Now, this is countered by a few centuries here of standard anti-semitism, not limited to the South, of course. But I think that's a lot less strong here than it was.

However, many contemporary evangelicals practically fetishize Jews. They don't care if they're not practicing. If they look and sound like an Old Testament Prophet (and Bernie fits the bill in a secular way), they're going to like him. If he has relatives who were killed in the Holocaust, they'll really like him. He's automatically pro-Israel, in their mind, which makes him not come across as a pacifist to these folks.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with these interpretations, but if you study evangelicals, it's very apparent.

Had Bernie been in the tradition of a French Protestant or a Central American Catholic I think his form of democratic socialism would be less well-received. Maybe this had to be delivered by a grumpy elderly Jewish man to get these people to open their minds. Fine by me.

Well knock me over with a feather.... [View all] KentuckyWoman Jan 2016 OP
I am hearing the same thing Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #1
I'll go you one better here in Kentucky leftofcool Jan 2016 #2
Boggles my mind. KentuckyWoman Jan 2016 #7
Me too! leftofcool Jan 2016 #9
I heard it's something in the water...no, really...lots of play in those numbers. libdem4life Jan 2016 #3
Lot of anecdotes = DATA, you know! elleng Jan 2016 #4
Unfortunately, the "data" is that Kentucky is a very red state. leftofcool Jan 2016 #6
A few years ago I was talking politics with my aunt in Tennessee Samantha Jan 2016 #18
Good points leftofcool Jan 2016 #23
Making calls for for President Obama, I had one woman tell me she'd vote the way her husband maddiemom Jan 2016 #26
We've asked for years why so many Republicans TDale313 Jan 2016 #5
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #8
The zeitgeist, it's a powerful thing. It used to be for Reagan. Now it's rooting for Bernie. reformist2 Jan 2016 #10
Does Kentucky have an open primary? Baitball Blogger Jan 2016 #11
Closed...... change of party submitted by Dec 31 year before primary. KentuckyWoman Jan 2016 #17
No leftofcool Jan 2016 #24
I have been suggesting to independents and republican here in IA they should register as democrats Vincardog Jan 2016 #12
Bernie gets the vote of about 20% of republicans in his state elmac Jan 2016 #13
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #14
I have several, judging by my FB feed. nt silvershadow Jan 2016 #15
Makes a lot of sense lobodons Jan 2016 #16
It makes perfect sense to me (and to Harry Truman's ghost) merrily Jan 2016 #19
I've had quite a few initial Trump supporters turn toward Bernie once they've heard his platforms Live and Learn Jan 2016 #20
here's a mostly undiscussed factor: many evangelicals LOVE Jews & Israel zazen Jan 2016 #21
This is very interesting KentuckyWoman Jan 2016 #25
Something I noticed as well Populist_Prole Jan 2016 #28
This is what DWS and HRC don't want to hear. The People are starting to smell rhett o rick Jan 2016 #22
K&R! Duval Jan 2016 #27
Kentucky Woman, you get to know us, you get to own us Gawdless Pinko Lib Jan 2016 #29
Drip, drip. thereismore Jan 2016 #30
Reminds me of an acquaintance, Unknown Beatle Jan 2016 #31
At Christmas Eve dinner my Republican sister-in-law LibDemAlways Jan 2016 #32
I so hope he pulls it off...all the way to the White House. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #33
K&R! This has happened too many times to be coincidence. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #34
He has sparked a YUUUGE amount of interest among young/apathetic/given up voters Doctor_J Jan 2016 #35
K&R nt LiberalElite Jan 2016 #36
Things change in 30+ years Renew Deal Jan 2016 #37
Rush mikehiggins Jan 2016 #38
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