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sigmasix

(794 posts)
84. perhaps there is some confusion
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 07:18 PM
Nov 2012

My point- and I believe i have made it- is that you are more likely to generate solutions to problems if you are able to have an inquiry that incorporates all of the instances and sources of the problem.
This is American pragmatism in action.

The OP is suggesting that there are a couple things at play in the discussion about pornography as it related to political demographics within the United States. One of the points made was that "porn" was somehow the responsibility of the male gender of the human race and is used exclusively by men in the attempt to deny humanity and intrinsic value and importance to women. I understand that some feminists believe this to be true, but there certainly isn't a 100% agreement about this. And there certainly is not a 100% agreement on what sorts of things are pornographic. Feminist criticism includes more than just "Lady Issues", and by restricting your membership and self identification you are denying yourself an opportunity to learn and understand other points of view.

Disagreement is an invariable portion of any social group, but with-holding respect and charity from an individual question or suggestion is not disagreement, it's bullying.

I think it is because double standards are the norm in the red states... FarPoint Nov 2012 #1
That doesn't quite explain it, though. redqueen Nov 2012 #3
My sister-in-laws 3rd husband was like that.... FarPoint Nov 2012 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author condoleeza Nov 2012 #93
How was that measured? ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #2
No, it isn't. redqueen Nov 2012 #4
So google says red states consume more porn? ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #5
LOL, another gun forum fan. redqueen Nov 2012 #7
So you have nothing to support your underlying point for discussion... ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #8
How nice of you to edit ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #23
#of strip clubs per capita also shows this same tendency. nt redqueen Nov 2012 #29
? I guess we have nothing to fear from internet snooping empowered by the Patriot Act & all of these patrice Nov 2012 #34
Utah is the porn download capital of the country Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #6
I ask you what Red Queen cannot answer, what is your source? ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #9
so why dont you share stats on the subject from sources you respect? BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2012 #11
There is nothing out there that the bandwidth/ISP industry considers definitive ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #19
who or what agency in the ISP industry makes statistical studies on porn? BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2012 #25
The ISP/Bandwidth industry actually does do studies on usage and trends ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #28
sources retroactively on edit...care to do the same? BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2012 #30
go to google and type in 'Utah porn downloads' Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #14
The seminal source is Edelman for all of them ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #17
Then it should be easy for you to come up with some data to disprove the OP Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #18
The problem is there is no hard data out there on this or other usage that is not self published ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #22
i have always found this contradictive fact interesting and thought it obvious seabeyond Nov 2012 #10
Topless bars, too. Much more of those in the bible belt. nt redqueen Nov 2012 #12
oh geeez, so true. driving from chicago down to amarillo texas seabeyond Nov 2012 #13
Interesting rightsideout Nov 2012 #15
filters does nothing to stop a willing particpant to view porn. it was the absurdity of our porn seabeyond Nov 2012 #16
There's nothing wrong with providing parents tools jeff47 Nov 2012 #51
dont turn it on. not a tough one. i would think you would appreciate a simple process for seabeyond Nov 2012 #54
You're still forcing people to buy it, even if they leave it turned off. jeff47 Nov 2012 #58
THIS.... THIS is what all the moaning and groaning and whining is about. wow. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #60
So you like the government forcing you to buy stuff that doesn't work just so you can turn it off? jeff47 Nov 2012 #64
really? all the restrictions and demand puts on all the products we buy for so many fuckin reasons seabeyond Nov 2012 #66
Btw, I edited while you were replying (nt) jeff47 Nov 2012 #68
If Windows forces us to buy it to hopefully turn a profit for a corporation, that's not so bad. redqueen Nov 2012 #69
If it actually worked, you might have an argument. The software doesn't work. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2012 #70
i cannot believe this is what people are peeing their pants about. OMG.... seabeyond Nov 2012 #72
I find it facinating that the tidbit about "the software doesn't work" is apparently a-OK jeff47 Nov 2012 #76
you are moving the bar. i had little interest in all this initially..... seabeyond Nov 2012 #77
I'm not moving crap. Go look up at my first post in this sub-thread jeff47 Nov 2012 #80
The Temperance Society aletier_v Nov 2012 #21
Everyone is having fun? No. redqueen Nov 2012 #24
I couldn't finish it, but thank you for posting. CrispyQ Nov 2012 #32
this is the problem. the vast majority that defend porn, are not watching. they do not know what seabeyond Nov 2012 #33
I'd bet research would find that true way more often than not. Liberals could tend to be more free patrice Nov 2012 #39
you are absolutely correct. once i started realizing this was the case with so many, i started seabeyond Nov 2012 #42
Thanksgiving dinner with my 3 nieces, upper-middle, professional women & one business owner. patrice Nov 2012 #50
and of course, the poster that it was addressed to will never watch, think or argue seabeyond Nov 2012 #35
I'm sick of rude assholes coming in our forum & posting what they think are CrispyQ Nov 2012 #36
du3 sucks. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #37
Idle hands are the devils workshop randr Nov 2012 #26
The forbidden fruit effect Dash87 Nov 2012 #27
If we posit that one of the reasons red states are red is that, more often than not, the patrice Nov 2012 #31
and the american woman.she is so fearful for too many men, i am reading. more and more on the net, seabeyond Nov 2012 #38
what is porn? sigmasix Nov 2012 #40
you get laughed at cause the argument is silliness. seabeyond Nov 2012 #41
laughed at because of? sigmasix Nov 2012 #43
it isnt like we have not heard this argument repeatedly. seabeyond Nov 2012 #44
And the porn I owned back in the day didn't have any of the violence you decry. jeff47 Nov 2012 #55
wow. hitting everyone of my posts with really poor argument skills. you will not hear me argue seabeyond Nov 2012 #57
It's an example. Try considering it instead of knee-jerking. jeff47 Nov 2012 #62
bah hahahah. gotta make sense instead of the knee jerk accusation of knee jerk seabeyond Nov 2012 #65
Do you often resort to insults when your argument won't stand on it's own? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2012 #67
my argument wont stand? lmfao. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #73
btw... re read your posts filled with insults. and i believe you and the other started seabeyond Nov 2012 #74
When evidence showing the rape and abuse in the production of pornography is presented, redqueen Nov 2012 #46
Sex role propaganda is mainly disseminated as mainstream culture, not porn eridani Nov 2012 #94
I find it interesting that up-thread you attack "porn supporters" for not really watching jeff47 Nov 2012 #53
"The modern romance novel industry" seabeyond Nov 2012 #56
And you expanded the subject to "female porn industry." jeff47 Nov 2012 #59
ummm... that is how the poster described "The modern romance novel industry" seabeyond Nov 2012 #61
He refers to romance novels as female porn, but doesn't refer to it as all of what female porn is. jeff47 Nov 2012 #63
you are a hoot.... ya. whatever. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #75
welcome to du redqueen Nov 2012 #45
what standards? sigmasix Nov 2012 #47
You're wasting time. Stop with the pathetic strawman arguments. redqueen Nov 2012 #48
it is as if you do not believe their is an inequity. as if you do not believe that women are placed seabeyond Nov 2012 #49
There is one study that came to this conclusion ... and it's flawed. Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #52
LOL... yeah, subscriptions to HBO and Skinemax should *totally* count. redqueen Nov 2012 #78
But you'll buy that other one? LOL indeed! Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #83
since I am a feminist, what does this say? sigmasix Nov 2012 #71
is your argument still the "The modern romance novel industry" as the female porn to be taken seabeyond Nov 2012 #79
WORTHY OF ITS OWN THREAD Skittles Nov 2012 #82
Stop derailing. redqueen Nov 2012 #81
We've heard these arguments before. CrispyQ Nov 2012 #96
Precisely. redqueen Nov 2012 #97
perhaps there is some confusion sigmasix Nov 2012 #84
More strawman bullshit. Really? redqueen Nov 2012 #85
I wonder if sigmasix Nov 2012 #86
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2012 #87
My pleasure. I wish it was considered thought provoking by more people. redqueen Nov 2012 #88
I used my university access ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #89
bookmarking to come back in and read when i have time. thanks. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #90
Its quite long ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #91
not all there sigmasix Nov 2012 #95
I know, that's the problem when I link from the university. ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #98
explains more than just porn sigmasix Nov 2012 #99
The ties to consumption and capitalism ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #100
What kid of porn do they like? Historic NY Nov 2012 #92
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