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Lorien

(31,935 posts)
115. I'll say it again:
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:41 PM
Mar 2016

A few of the reasons why I can't vote for Hillary, but will vote for Bernie:

Iraq
TPP
KXL
Pro arctic drilling
Pro for Profit Prisons
Pro Monsanto
Bankruptcy bill
Voting for a border fence
Saying child migrants should be sent home
Using her position as SoS to push fracking on the rest of the world
Wall Street donations
Six digit speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras
Comments about nuking Iran
Voted to raise credit card interest rates
NAFTA
DOMA
DADT
Opposing gay marriage in New York State
Brownbeck Amendments
Glass-Steagall
No living wage
No free college
No universal health care (ACA coverage gap....ACA will never provide UHC)
No medical Marijuana
Supports mandatory sentencing
Says that she's "proud of" the way Walmart does business
Libya
Yemen
Syria
Egypt
United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
United States-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
Free trade - Oman agreement
Voted FOR Gitmo. --- Hillary voted against the Byrd ammendment and against a large majority of democrats to reduce Guatanamo funding by $36,000,000. She joined the republican majority against the majority of democrats in supporting Guantanamo.
Pro death penalty
Pro cluster bombing
Clinton policies lead to the largest mass incarceration of human beings in the history of the world
and the list goes on...

Hillary wants to attack Iran: http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484

Hillary pushed Fracking on the rest of the planet: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

Hillary and childhood poverty: http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/

What Hillary calls "feminism" : https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-feminism/

How women workers faired at Walmart when Hillary was on it's board:



Hillary's campaign had a gender pay gap: http://freebeacon.com/politics/hillary-clintons-campaign-has-a-gender-pay-problem/

Hillary takes millions in campaign cash from her "enemies": http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/10/14/hillary-takes-millions-in-campaign-cash-from-enemies

Hillary on Gay marriage in 2004:
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Hillary open to raising the retirement age and reducing SS benefits: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-indicates-she-is-open-to-raising-the-retirement-age.html

Bernie has a MUCH better record of accomplishments as Senator than Hillary does: https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fact-bernie-sanders-got-more-done-in-the-senate-than-hillary-clinton/

When you ask me to vote for Hillary: https://medium.com/@Lookingforrobyn/when-you-ask-me-to-vote-for-hillary-174becdb5ccc#.2ixs3cg5o

Hillary's legacy of pushing the party to the right: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right

Chomsky: Democrats are now moderate Republicans:http://trofire.com/2015/09/23/noam-chomsky-dems-are-now-moderate-repugs-republicans-are-now-off-the-spectrum-of-reality/

The political compass finds Bernie to be the most centrist candidate, Hillary falls into the right wing Authoritarian spectrum:: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

Bernie rejects big fundraising events: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2015-03-26/bernie-sanders-hates-money-in-politics-the-very-thing-he-ll-need-to-beat-clinton

Debunking the "Bernie has a Super PAC" lie: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/debunking-the-big-bernie-sanders-has-a-superpac-lie/

Elizabeth Warren on Hillary Clinton: https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/videos/986305904741661/

A comparison of bills put forth by Bernie and Hillary: http://giphy.com/gifs/clinton-vs-sanders-bills-passed-according-to-congressgov-3o6gaQaIZcGAW7hCfu

Hillary helps a bank, which then funnels millions to the Clintons: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

Under Sanders, incomes and jobs would soar:http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/08/news/economy/sanders-income-jobs/

Electing Bernie would usher a wave of "Bernie Democrats" into Congress: https://newrepublic.com/article/129047/bernies-army-running-congress

Bernie vows to stop disastrous TPP deal: http://ecowatch.com/2015/10/05/sanders-stop-tpp-deal/

Bernie's foreign policy positions are solid and through: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-foreign-poicy-213619

Hillary's foreign policy record is dismal: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-ritter/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-record_b_9221284.html

Bernie has plenty of foreign policy knowledge: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-foreign-poicy-213619

Hillary's foreign policy record is a disaster: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-ritter/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-record_b_9221284.html

Top economist, UN advisor and climate activist: "Clinton is a danger to world peace" http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/15/1485382/-Top-economist-UN-advisor-and-climate-activist-Clinton-is-a-danger-to-world-peace

The pragmatic case for Bernie Sanders: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/the-pragmatic-case-for-bernie-sanders/462720/

Who could beat Trump? Bernie by a wide margin, while Hillary could lose against him: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-destroys-donald-trump-by-13-points-6-more-than-clinton-_b_8936840.html

Bernie Sanders would beat Donald Trump 51-38 in a general-election: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/poll-against-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-would-get-schlonged-20151223#ixzz3zvCwk44J

Poll shows that Hillary could easily lose to Trump in the General election: http://www.inquisitr.com/2667052/poll-shows-hillary-clinton-could-easily-lose-to-donald-trump-in-general-election/

Hillary voted to allow more carcinogens in drinking water: http://usuncut.com/news/hillary-clinton-groundwater-pollution/

In Europe, Sanders would be Center-Right: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-01-19/in-europe-sanders-would-be-center-right

I certainly don't. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2016 #1
I don't believe her shift to the left Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #2
Just tell me WHY anyone would believe she is actually going left?! retrowire Mar 2016 #4
I think it's because Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #17
#stealthebern indeed. retrowire Mar 2016 #21
She says she is centrist, and she is, IF the center is now moderate Republican. peacebird Mar 2016 #16
Correct. -none Mar 2016 #48
Oh, did someone mention Reagan? Obama did, in admiration. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #104
Obama's done and said plenty of stuff bvf Mar 2016 #106
Speaking of real democrats... Correct? -none Mar 2016 #107
Excellent! It's all in the "message" - and HRC/DNC is heavy into messaging! erronis Mar 2016 #127
+1 daleanime Mar 2016 #62
Centrist today is way right of moderate Republican. debunction.junction Mar 2016 #66
In a heartbeat! marew Mar 2016 #25
IF kacekwl Mar 2016 #110
You are right - I always picture her laughing merrily and uncontrollably at that. djean111 Mar 2016 #3
I'm just scared that there are actually people stupid enough to believe it. nt retrowire Mar 2016 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #20
Mmmm. Hatchling Mar 2016 #85
It's vital to the One Percent that Americans be kept to poor to travel abroad Divernan Mar 2016 #100
Drives me nuts too bernbabe Mar 2016 #5
She's got a proven RECORD of inconsistency! retrowire Mar 2016 #7
Oh, no. She's consistent. PWPippin Mar 2016 #41
She's a political chameleon... CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2016 #8
It's her nature. Downwinder Mar 2016 #12
I don't get it either. It's baffling. Rebkeh Mar 2016 #9
If her lips are moving.. peace13 Mar 2016 #10
Yep. agracie Mar 2016 #13
Yeah me too.... ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #11
I just saw that on Facebook - TBF Mar 2016 #14
Ah ha! You said it! I knew someone else caught on! retrowire Mar 2016 #19
I'm already in line Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #28
It is completely bogus. She is pandering to progressives, but will pivot back to the right for GE peacebird Mar 2016 #15
It's mainly corporate media pundits saying that. TIME TO PANIC Mar 2016 #22
People are funny... TheProgressive Mar 2016 #23
Progessive campaign? Old Codger Mar 2016 #24
There are different philosophies on life. Gregorian Mar 2016 #26
Not Ellison _Russell Simmons silenttigersong Mar 2016 #67
Yes. Now where did I hear it. Gregorian Mar 2016 #73
Me too, me too!!! Kittycat Mar 2016 #27
I don't see many of her supporters ejbr Mar 2016 #29
^This is spot on. bvf Mar 2016 #111
True ejbr Mar 2016 #114
Agreed. nt riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #30
K&R Mbrow Mar 2016 #31
We don't. cer7711 Mar 2016 #32
Keep shouting retro, and dont stop. we need to keep pushing litlbilly Mar 2016 #33
You are so right, Retrowire. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #34
I'm with you. Cassiopeia Mar 2016 #35
Watch. Rinse. Repeat. tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #36
Anybody making those statements is like Charlie Brown from the comic strip Peanuts BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #37
And one of these days, Charlie is gonna get growed up Volaris Mar 2016 #71
It's called "whistling past the graveyard." malthaussen Mar 2016 #38
Late to evolve, Likely to betray. nt Snotcicles Mar 2016 #39
For me it's her stance on the TPP... Tragl1 Mar 2016 #40
Bernie undeniably "changed the conversation", but you're right: he hasn't changed Hillary one whit 99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #42
Please, shout loud and clear! n/t Paper Roses Mar 2016 #43
Kick warrprayer Mar 2016 #44
she is only saying this to get elected dana_b Mar 2016 #45
We've already seen this before Hydra Mar 2016 #46
I certainly don't sarge43 Mar 2016 #47
And she doesn't need to make those little fibs. Hatchling Mar 2016 #86
This Citizen Believes Nothing Said By That Candidate cantbeserious Mar 2016 #49
"I'm against the TPP as it is currently written" - paraphrasing Hiilary 90-percent Mar 2016 #50
And my favorite one, from the very first debate. retrowire Mar 2016 #52
Embiggen is what Bernie wants Paulie Mar 2016 #74
lol yes. nt retrowire Mar 2016 #75
I KNOW that she will do anything to get votes RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #51
You are correct. What she SAYS is a matter of no consequence whatsoever. nt Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #53
She is also under investigation by the FBI, and the denial around here is epic. LS_Editor Mar 2016 #54
I don't believe her. angrychair Mar 2016 #55
What's really interesting to me, unless I've missed it, there isn't one Hillary supporter cadaverdog Mar 2016 #56
They probably won't respond to this thread retrowire Mar 2016 #57
This bears repeating over and over: bvf Mar 2016 #116
I think I remember that some Democrat (I wish I could remember who) once said Marie Marie Mar 2016 #58
Yes, it's not that zentrum Mar 2016 #59
^ BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2016 #109
she will say anything to get a vote, why on Earth people believe that is beyond me completely azurnoir Mar 2016 #60
She could take a lot of the mystery out of her campaign, platitudipus Mar 2016 #61
If Hillary wins though she will shift back to center/right before she takes INdemo Mar 2016 #63
How fortunate we are to be pandered to so.... Blue State Bandit Mar 2016 #64
Yep, just shut up and be thankful she's at least SAYING the things we like to hear! nt retrowire Mar 2016 #65
She should have to say "Brought to you by Brawndo". Blue State Bandit Mar 2016 #72
Hillary doesn't get pushed ANYWHERE... dchill Mar 2016 #68
Kicked and recommended! You have identified the problem. Enthusiast Mar 2016 #69
I don't believe that for a second. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #70
Ditto. I don't give a shit what words come out of her mouth. Words don't mean shit from Turd Wayers. GoneFishin Mar 2016 #76
And NONE of them will say "If not for Bernie, Dem turnout would be 3 times as dismal as it is" arcane1 Mar 2016 #77
That's a fact I didn't think about myself. retrowire Mar 2016 #78
I have never been fooled by her constant evolving. Unknown Beatle Mar 2016 #79
Untrustworthy. SamKnause Mar 2016 #80
I don't. blackspade Mar 2016 #81
Excellent thread retrowire !!! erlewyne Mar 2016 #82
It's Like If You Believe THIS, The I Have A Bridge To ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #83
I don't believe her for a nanosecond nt LiberalElite Mar 2016 #84
Words Mean Nothing billhicks76 Mar 2016 #87
If Hillary wins the nomination, I will wholeheartedly vote for her, like Bernie and Thom Hartmann. Akamai Mar 2016 #88
This is how I feel as well... but my OP is dividing no one and I don't see how your post retrowire Mar 2016 #90
The post following yours demonstrates why I made my statement. Go Bernie! Akamai Mar 2016 #128
The thing is, I don't consider Hillary a Democrat. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #121
Unfortunately, Thespian2 Mar 2016 #89
K&R yuiyoshida Mar 2016 #91
You tweeted my op? :D nt retrowire Mar 2016 #92
I believe minus zero what Hillary says. 840high Mar 2016 #93
No one believes her. Seriously, not even her fans. She is a liar. Brings NOTHING whereisjustice Mar 2016 #94
Disagree LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #96
I have a deep well founded distrust for filthy rich people. Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #95
my well is deepening everyday. nt retrowire Mar 2016 #112
The ones that get me is when a Hillary supporter treats "the radical left" as the enemy. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #97
If she can get pushed to the left... Beartracks Mar 2016 #98
She is already gone back to the right Helen Borg Mar 2016 #99
Great question retrowire! monicaangela Mar 2016 #101
she will triangulate to the rich and the righties mdbl Mar 2016 #102
I don't believe her nor do I trust her. Not sure why anyone would. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #103
'I meant it when I said it...' is her go-to conscience mode - she's made her supporters islandmkl Mar 2016 #105
We don't want to see you get Traumatic Brain Disease, retro.. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #108
I agree. Any populist rhetoric from her is counterfeit Populist_Prole Mar 2016 #113
I'll say it again: Lorien Mar 2016 #115
Thanks, Lorien! nt Duval Mar 2016 #125
KICKETY KICK! secondwind Mar 2016 #117
Bernie Sanders is Hillary's top advisor sammythecat Mar 2016 #118
I believe her as much as Donald PatrynXX Mar 2016 #119
No she will... basselope Mar 2016 #120
"I like Hillary, But..." For Hillary skeptics/undecideds, check out... imwithher16 Mar 2016 #122
This is the Bernie group.... retrowire Mar 2016 #123
that website didn't say anything I didn't know mdbl Mar 2016 #129
I do not believe her at all. Duval Mar 2016 #124
Hillary would be farther to the right or just as far to the right as Romney INdemo Mar 2016 #126
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