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Bernie Sanders

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merrily

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Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:53 PM Aug 2015

Don't buy the spin that Bernie and Hillary are 92% alike on the issues. [View all]

Some talking head yesterday mentioned having just received a message that Hillary and Sanders voted alike 92% of the time when in the Senate. Just mentioned it out of absolutely nowhere and then immediately went on to something else.

I doubt that the Sanders campaign distributed that message to media. I don't know if it came from the Hillary campaign. I do know her DU supporters have been trying here to say "no real differences " since at least early May. (That may have been a response to the April 29 poll showing 90% of DU would vote for Sanders over Hillary.)

This 92% congruity in Senate votes message is probably technically accurate, but nonetheless very misleading. Why?

In the Senate, Bernie and Hillary were both in the Democratic Caucus voting against the Republican Caucus. No surprise that they both voted with the Democratic Caucus most of the time. A lot of Senate votes are not even substantive, about on the level of proclaiming national ice cream sundae day or expressing appreciation. Moreover the Senate is a very conservative body in the first instance. The only thing interesting to know, IMO, would be which votes comprised the 8% difference between Bernie and Hillary in the Senate.

Passing that: The biggest policy differences between Sanders and Hillary probably show up in Bernie's House votes, when Hillary was either First Lady or in the Senate, NOT when they were both in the Senate together: Bernie voted against Poppy's invasion of Iraq, against Dimson's invasion of Iraq, against DOMA, against DADT against repeal of Glass Steagall and so on. She was on the opposite side of all that, either expressly, by Senate vote or by choosing to associate herself in 2008 with her husband's record.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778412 ; http://www.democraticunderground.com/128033139 ; http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1277&pid=8899

I don't really care what percentage of votes the above comprises. Each of these events loomed large in the history of this country. Sanders was on the right side of that history. Neither Clinton was.

Bottom line: do not be deceived. As Bernie says over and over, he and Hillary disagree on many issues. I believe him and I have found that to be true myself over the months that I have been looking into his stands.

Going forward, I want the guy who was pro equal rights for everyone, including members of the GLBT community, who predicted exactly what would happen after repeal of Glass Steagall, who all along has said war should be the very last course of action, etc.

ETA: I should have noted originally that Bernie and Hillary were only in the Senate together from January 2007 to January 2009--and Hillary was probably absent a good bit of that time due to her primary campaign and preparing to become Secretary of State.

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Thank you. It is the votes they DIFFERED on that are important. djean111 Aug 2015 #1
Please do. merrily Aug 2015 #3
She is owned. Enough said. azmom Aug 2015 #2
She really is an Incumbent of sorts cprise Aug 2015 #20
Hillary And Jeb are 92% Alike On The Issues billhicks76 Aug 2015 #22
Yes. Originally, some of her supporters on this board tried to merrily Aug 2015 #25
Agreed. That was an attempt to conceal her culpability. eom cprise Aug 2015 #31
92% alike on the issues that the corporate media is allowed to talk about that is... cascadiance Aug 2015 #4
Even though she negotiated TPP and referred to it in her book as "the gold standard," she is now merrily Aug 2015 #5
That's right... SoapBox Aug 2015 #7
Let me guess: merrily Aug 2015 #8
We are supposed to pay attention to what she says now. zeemike Aug 2015 #21
Well, about TPP, either you have amnesia about the "gold standard" merrily Aug 2015 #29
OMG! SoapBox Aug 2015 #6
And they'll always talk about Bernie's EARLIER work LATER to prove it!... cascadiance Aug 2015 #10
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Today, I posted a video from 1991, Bernie's first year in merrily Aug 2015 #30
I've heard that we share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees. winter is coming Aug 2015 #9
And 3% with Neanderthals, making 101%. I wonder whatever happened to good old homo sapiens. merrily Aug 2015 #13
I suspect that once SheilaT Aug 2015 #11
Funny thing: at least one study has shown that people believe most what they heard first. merrily Aug 2015 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author SylviaD Aug 2015 #12
Sorry, but this is exactly the kind of thing no one should have to discuss in this group. merrily Aug 2015 #15
Okay. n/t SylviaD Aug 2015 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #16
Please don't engage. The question is OT and does not even belong in this group, let merrily Aug 2015 #17
You are right.. sorry. n/t Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #18
Whew. Thank you so much. merrily Aug 2015 #19
Hehe.. feel free to correct me anytime Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #24
It was more like begging than criticism, but if merrily Aug 2015 #40
Wow you are right and I answered it. zeemike Aug 2015 #28
No worries, but thanks. merrily Aug 2015 #43
It was not intentional. I am sorry. n/t SylviaD Aug 2015 #37
You should delete your post MissDeeds Aug 2015 #26
I was not. n/t SylviaD Aug 2015 #35
Well you are now. MissDeeds Aug 2015 #39
Already done. n/t SylviaD Aug 2015 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author zeemike Aug 2015 #27
Bernie can win. You have given offense. smokey nj Aug 2015 #33
Yep MissDeeds Aug 2015 #34
Those who deleted were kindly trying to respond to my plea not to engage. I did not want merrily Aug 2015 #44
I apologize. n/t SylviaD Aug 2015 #36
Human and Chimpanzee DNA are ~96% alike. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #14
I don't buy it either Jack Rabbit Aug 2015 #23
The talking's head's comment did not give me much to go on. merrily Aug 2015 #42
My point is that it really doesn't matter Jack Rabbit Aug 2015 #45
Exactly. merrily Aug 2015 #46
good explanation dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #47
Thanks for pushing back on this, Merrily! dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #48
wonderful post, dreamnightwind. Thank you. merrily Aug 2015 #49
And then there's the issue that the good stuff never makes it out of committee eridani Aug 2015 #50
Very true. merrily Aug 2015 #51
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