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Democratic Primaries

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Hekate

(90,642 posts)
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:14 AM Aug 2019

To my surprise, Michael Moore made some very interesting points... [View all]

I originally put this observation in a thread bashing him, and have left it there. But I decided to give it a fresh start, just because.

I heard something completely different than the rest of you:

Moore said that the traditional 'Joe Lunchbox' hardly exists anymore as a % of voters...

...if you're talking about white blue-collar voters. When you are talking about blue collar voters today, you are talking about women, POC, young people, and workers in the gig economy. He talked about the tens of millions (40 million?) young people that have come of voting age in recent years.

About 1/3 of white men voted for Hillary, and God bless them, welcome to the Dem Party. (Did I get that right?)

But in general white men had not been voting for the Dem Party for quite a few presidential election cycles already -- in any case, he did say that to sit around talking about Reagan Democrats and such in 2019 was (for the younger set) like us listening to our parents talk about Woodrow Wilson -- it just made our eyes roll back in our heads and go listen to the Beatles.

Reagan Democrats and their ilk are gone for us. Forget about trying to get them back. Focus in who our constituency really is TODAY: women, POC, young people, and so on.

I was impressed. Dear DUers, based on what you've been complaining about recently, I thought Michael Moore was not our friend any more and had nothing left to contribute. I almost changed the channel but hubby wanted to hear him. This time, I'm glad I heard him out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Interesting. Thanks, Hekate. I can't even remember what I'd heard from him lately pnwmom Aug 2019 #1
Thanks. I'm mulling it over. This continual fretting over one constituency... Hekate Aug 2019 #4
He is full of it. We have been saying blacks and women wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #11
And those long-gone white men, he blamed on Hillary/us in '16. Hortensis Aug 2019 #26
I know, I know. But sooner or later every discussion about why Hillary lost turns back to... Hekate Aug 2019 #39
One thing, though. pnwmom Aug 2019 #12
Interesting. A few of my DIL's girlfriends in Georgia are Hortensis Aug 2019 #27
Yes, his commentary about demographics is required listening flamingdem Aug 2019 #2
He gave awful advice according to the U.S. Census standingtall Aug 2019 #3
He didn't seem to be "dismissing an entire voting bloc" so much as saying they're not ours... Hekate Aug 2019 #6
He did dismiss when he flatout said we don't need them standingtall Aug 2019 #8
Yes, that was true certainly in 2016. A thirdish of white men Hortensis Aug 2019 #32
I was perplexed. betsuni Aug 2019 #5
Those positions are probably in the Dem platform. wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #9
this , and it's just more discouraging support for Democrats. we have many candidates running and JI7 Aug 2019 #20
It's just a more subtle advertisement for his candidate. betsuni Aug 2019 #24
yes, i think only reason he is kind of talking the way he does is because people are calling him out JI7 Aug 2019 #29
He seems to put a lot of faith in the youth vote. betsuni Aug 2019 #33
I hate that you say white men don't vote for Dems. wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #7
I rolled my eyes at the "welcome to the Dem party" line. BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #13
Difficult to find the statistics but.... KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2019 #15
Being white, I concede the point. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #18
You are right but Dems have old white guys too wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #40
LOL, well, I'll never catch you! I was born in 1958, which was actually the last cool year PatrickforO Aug 2019 #41
It was a pleasant surprise, O Mistress of the Moonlit Gateway! Anon-C Aug 2019 #10
He's bigoted towards white men and moderates. mr_liberal Aug 2019 #14
Most white men don't vote Democratic. That's more of a statistical fact, I suspect, PatrickforO Aug 2019 #17
He attacks white men all the time and it has nothing to do with voting. Its bigotry. nt mr_liberal Aug 2019 #38
I saw that too. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #16
Still think he is full of shit . Because there ARE white men who would vote for some of the JI7 Aug 2019 #19
Moore would be correct in a popular vote general election 5starlib Aug 2019 #21
yet he named Bernie Sanders who does NOT do well with POC and Women as the candidate that could get JI7 Aug 2019 #22
that's a canard ProfessorPlum Aug 2019 #37
Sanders doesn't do as well with the named blocs as Biden BlueWI Aug 2019 #43
Turning out the base has to be the focus. Duh. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #23
Nobody's happier to see Reagan Democrats in the "Gone" column than I am. calimary Aug 2019 #25
Moore is all over... Mike Nelson Aug 2019 #28
I think some of you mistakenly think the base is still establishment centrist Dems. It's not. YOHABLO Aug 2019 #30
the base is black voters who can lean many ways . but social issues are important. Moore is being JI7 Aug 2019 #31
I almost turned him off because I can't stand listening to him,. It am glad I kept it on StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #34
He's right about those things but most of us know to forget about Reagan Dems. brush Aug 2019 #35
I always consider Michael Moore worth a listen True Dough Aug 2019 #36
I stopped paying attention to Moore a long time ago Gothmog Aug 2019 #42
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