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pnwmom

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72. You weren't raised in Oklahoma. According to this article written in 2013,
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 04:29 AM
Aug 2019

way before this controversy, almost everyone this reporter talked to in Oklahoma thought s/he was of N.A. descent.

So she wasn't being disingenuous. She had just absorbed the beliefs of the people surrounding her, including her own family members.

Also, as recently as 2007, the Cherokee Nation changed its constitution to require a blood connection for tribal membership. This was done in connection with disenrolling the Freedmen, the descendants of black slaves held by the Cherokees. But the black Freedmen were on the Cherokee rolls as part of a treaty with the U.S., so the courts eventually ruled against the Cherokees, saying that the treaty required the to remain on the rolls.

So this may be one more reason Warren thought that her possible blood connection mattered. The Cherokee Nation had written it into their constitution 12 years ago, and then spent years defending that in court.

https://www.salon.com/2013/05/21/slave_descendants_seek_equal_rights_from_cherokee_nation_partner/?fbclid=IwAR2_yR1JvSQv501w-Izqeonba-AWvJ5wWOX46XZWav2mHUH06ocGIz_Av8Y

During the year I spent reporting this story, nearly everyone I met in Oklahoma claimed Indian heritage. To many, the notion that Indian blood pumps through them, irrespective of quantum or degree, is a birthright. It suggests a dual identity. And it insinuates indigenous roots — a deeper, more authentic tie to land and country that predates statehood and union. But unlike most, Payton possesses the documents to back his claims.

SNIP


From the Smithsonian:

https://americanindian.si.edu/exhibitions/indivisible/cherokee_freedmen.html

Early in the 1800s, some Cherokees acquired slaves, and in the 1830s, enslaved African Americans accompanied the Cherokees when the federal government forced them to move to Indian Territory (Oklahoma), where the tribe struggled to rebuild its culture and institutions. By 1861, there were 4,000 black slaves living among the Cherokees.

After the Civil War, the tribe signed a treaty that granted former slaves, or freedmen, “all the rights of Native Cherokees.” But in 2007, Cherokees amended their tribal constitution, making “Indian blood” a requirement for citizenship. As a result, some 2,800 descendants of Cherokee freedmen were excluded from membership.

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Joe Biden
Good for her mcar Aug 2019 #1
She has nothing to apologize for HelenWheels Aug 2019 #2
True - not sure why she chose to apologize, though. Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #3
In fact she does have BlueMTexpat Aug 2019 #7
The issue was her idenifying as American Indian on her 1986 State Bar of Texas write-in form... Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #10
President Asshole and his minions will NEVER let that go. maxsolomon Aug 2019 #24
Not really. Have you ever heard of the one drop rule? pnwmom Aug 2019 #27
I don't buy that at all. Not in 1986. Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #30
She had started in the decades earlier. And it brought her no benefit, so why pnwmom Aug 2019 #33
Why would she claim to be American Indian? Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #35
It was a mistake. But I disagree that it was "disingenuous claim " as you said. pnwmom Aug 2019 #36
What is wrong with being proud of your Native ancestry, however small? SunSeeker Aug 2019 #46
same with Japanese-American internment torius Aug 2019 #59
Let's be real. Very unlikely she was "claiming" it for honesty's sake. MadDAsHell Aug 2019 #65
There were NO BENEFITS to claiming it on that Texas bar form. And the forms she signed earlier pnwmom Aug 2019 #66
How was it "tisingenuous?" She was told she had NA heritage. Merlot Aug 2019 #48
How is it not? Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #69
You weren't raised in Oklahoma. According to this article written in 2013, pnwmom Aug 2019 #72
So do I DownriverDem Aug 2019 #22
She claimed NA ancestry -- She NEVER claimed Tribal membership whathehell Aug 2019 #44
Exactly. nt SunSeeker Aug 2019 #47
I think the issue was always her putting American Indian on 1986 State Bar of Texas write-in form... Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #9
Well, in 1986 you couldn't check your ancestry with a DNA test. Mr.Bill Aug 2019 #11
I've seen no claims made by her that she was told she was 100% American Indian. Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #16
I've also never heard she claimed she was 100% Native American. n/t Mr.Bill Aug 2019 #18
And yet she put her race as America Indian... Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #28
She does have Native American DNA. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #43
When she was young, the term octaroon was still in use, in some parts of the country. pnwmom Aug 2019 #73
Some people WOULD say they were African American with a black great-grandfather blm Aug 2019 #81
Why should 37 be a disqualifing age? She never claimed her "race" was NA. Merlot Aug 2019 #51
She did claim American Indian as her race Docreed2003 Aug 2019 #58
She never claimed to be full blooded Indian, and alhough she whathehell Aug 2019 #53
No, but she put she was Native American down as her ethnicity. Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #68
I get what your saying, but whathehell Aug 2019 #77
Her claim was NOT false. The DNA test proved she had Native American DNA. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #42
A President who will listen and apologize when needed backtoblue Aug 2019 #4
This! eom BlueMTexpat Aug 2019 #8
I thought she already did the s, and we were beyond this? still_one Aug 2019 #5
Folks won't let it go exboyfil Aug 2019 #37
I guess you are right. still_one Aug 2019 #39
Actually, they are letting it go, as her climbing poll numbers suggest whathehell Aug 2019 #54
I certainly hope so exboyfil Aug 2019 #56
Yes, I think so, though.like you, I'll vote for whoever gets the Nom. n/t whathehell Aug 2019 #62
Will not diminish MSM harping. Sneederbunk Aug 2019 #6
True, but she has taken the right route with this BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #34
True. Much of M$M Owner$hip doesn't like her or her message. n/t MarcA Aug 2019 #50
It's already diminished -- It's been dead in the media for months. Only whathehell Aug 2019 #55
She should tell the story of Pocahontas MissKat Aug 2019 #12
I like this idea. Freethinker65 Aug 2019 #29
That's an extremely good idea, imo renate Aug 2019 #32
i would like to see this if she is the nominee and he brings it up in a debate JI7 Aug 2019 #70
Apology unnecessary. djacq Aug 2019 #13
Tha snatches the toxicity out of drumpf's repeated rant about mfcorey1 Aug 2019 #14
This is what she was told.. it is what she believed.. yeah Peacetrain Aug 2019 #15
Warren will be an excellent President for all Americans! B Stieg Aug 2019 #17
Cheeto should apologize for claiming to be Swedish sandensea Aug 2019 #19
The only people who will continue to use this against Warren qazplm135 Aug 2019 #20
K&R nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #21
I can definitely empathize with Warren. When I was a kid, I was always PatrickforO Aug 2019 #23
My story is almost the same susanr516 Aug 2019 #67
I'm Cherokee living in the Cherokee Nation yellerpup Aug 2019 #25
Holy crap, why would a Native American ever be a Republican? SunSeeker Aug 2019 #49
I wonder about that myself. yellerpup Aug 2019 #57
Many Cherokees are traditionally conservatives obamanut2012 Aug 2019 #63
True. yellerpup Aug 2019 #79
That makes sense. Thanks, yellerpup. pnwmom Aug 2019 #74
Nearly everyone does claim tribal heritage in Oklahoma. yellerpup Aug 2019 #80
I don't believe she argued for tribal heritage, but rather, claimed only that according to family emmaverybo Aug 2019 #26
My wife, who is mainly Irish is a serious studier of geneology Mr.Bill Aug 2019 #60
The DNA test doesn't really prove your wife was wrong, though, pnwmom Aug 2019 #75
lol ! stonecutter357 Aug 2019 #31
She has nothing to apologize for EveHammond13 Aug 2019 #38
I can relate to Elizebeth Warren. Growing up I was told I was part Cherokee ... marble falls Aug 2019 #40
k&r DesertRat Aug 2019 #41
I was born in Oklahoma... Toorich Aug 2019 #45
Unlike you, Warren's DNA test proved she did indeed have Native American ancestry. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #52
The difference is, Warren's DNA tested positive for Native American blood whathehell Aug 2019 #78
To publicly claim Native American ancestry when all you have as proof is family legend elocs Aug 2019 #61
Her DNA test did NOT come back with a "big zero" like yours. It proved she was right. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #64
But she didn't publicly claim it. When she was campaigning against Scott Brown, pnwmom Aug 2019 #76
I applaud Senator Warren for giving a real and heartfelt apology Gothmog Aug 2019 #71
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