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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. :) If you guys'll recall, Scarborough-Trump became "very personal"
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 02:18 AM
Sep 2019

only after Joe, and Mika, helped get Trump elected in order to defeat Hillary/Democrats. Remember, the Democrats had been expected to gain the presidency, the senate, and at very least close to half the house; as time went on, analysts started saying we might get a majority in the house also. Complete disaster for Republicans and, to his mind, for the nation, which under the Democrats would only get "far worse." Joe had/has hopes of restoring traditional conservatism to the corrupted Republican Party, all discussed in his book, The Last Best Hope: Restoring Conservatism and America's Promise.

So in 2017 after the Democrats were defeated and Republicans in power, it was time to disassociate from the mess they'd help create, and Joe turned on Trump. They knew he was disordered, of course, and causing him to fly into a rage with them wasn't exactly hard. I was watching every morning in those days and remember Mika, knowing Trump watched the show each morning, laughing on the air about Trump's attraction to her and describing how she manipulated him.

Joe's a power player, but don't hope he'll be making kings out of any Democrats. If you think about what he says about those Democrats he could supposedly vote for, you'll realize you never go away thinking Democrats are doing a good job; they're always screwing up as sympathetic and so-concerned Joe is always pointing out. And in the meantime, Joe says precious little about the massive corruption among the Republicans he hopes to help keep/put back in control of Congress.

Btw, I agree with Joe that America desperately needs traditional, sensible and moderate conservatism dominating the Republican Party. With the RW anti-regulation plutocrats (who purged traditional conservative values) controlling economically and rabidly Southern/religious ideologues dominating culturally, though, that's going to be very hard to pull off and maintain. But I wish him well with that, just not with keeping what today's Republican Party has become in power while he hopes.

Might check his book out. After he wrote it, Republican Party continued its spiral into massive corruption and betrayal -- not his intent, but in fighting to keep it in power he has certainly been part of it. He's an admirer of Russell Kirk and Edmund Burke conservatism and disavowed the vicious partisanship he was part of during the New Gingrich/Bill Clinton years. Joe explained that he believed radical conservatism was needed to undo the "radical liberalism" of the New Deal era that ended with election of his hero Ronald Reagan.

I could copy these reviews from Amazon, but not text from the "Look Inside!" samples:

"It is time again for conservatives to lead America into the future.

“Conservatives need to read this book. Joe Scarborough is a real conservative.”
—Jed Babbin, Human Events

“In this engaging and timely book, Joe Scarborough undertakes a critical mission: the reinvigoration of conservatism in America. Aiming to take conservatives beyond reaction and beyond sentimentality, he asks the big questions, and does not shy away from offering answers. This is an important contribution to one of the most vital debates of the day.”
—Jon Meacham

“Joe Scarborough can save the GOP. This is a lively, likeable and important book. So my fellow Republicans–rejoice. We have a face! Now let’s get to work.”
—Christopher Buckley

“The Last Best Hope is must reading for anyone who cares about the conservative movement.”
—Peggy Noonan


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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