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In reply to the discussion: BBC: Bernie Sanders in climate change 'population control' uproar [View all]TomCADem
(17,387 posts)22. Bernie's comment seems to take reproductive rights in America for granted
Bernie did not say "women in America should have access to abortion and birth control." Bernie actually said:
"The answer has everything to do with the fact that women in the United States of America, by the way, have a right to control their own bodies, and make reproductive decisions."
Maybe he has a lot more faith in the current composition of the Supreme Court, but I think we will need to fight for the reproductive rights of women in America, as well as women in poor countries.
Also, tying reproductive rights to poor people? That is a horrible gaffe given the history in the United States regarding forced sterilization:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sterilization-united-states_n_568f35f2e4b0c8beacf68713
That Time The United States Sterilized 60,000 Of Its Citizens
Not too long ago, more than 60,000 people were sterilized in the United States based on eugenic laws. Most of these operations were performed before the 1960s in institutions for the so-called mentally ill or mentally deficient. In the early 20th century across the country, medical superintendents, legislators, and social reformers affiliated with an emerging eugenics movement joined forces to put sterilization laws on the books. Such legislation was motivated by crude theories of human heredity that posited the wholesale inheritance of traits associated with a panoply of feared conditions such as criminality, feeblemindedness, and sexual deviance. Many sterilization advocates viewed reproductive surgery as a necessary public health intervention that would protect society from deleterious genes and the social and economic costs of managing degenerate stock. From todays vantage point, compulsory sterilization looks patently like reproductive coercion and unethical medical practice.
At the time, however, sterilization both was countenanced by the U.S. Supreme Court (in the 1927 Buck v. Bell case) and supported by many scientists, reformers, and lawmakers as one prong of a larger strategy to improve society by encouraging the reproduction of the fit and restricting the procreation of the unfit. In total, 32 U.S. states passed sterilization laws between 1907 and 1937, and surgeries reached their highest numbers in the late 1930s and early 1940s. Beginning in the 1970s, state legislatures began to repeal these laws, finding them antiquated and discriminatory, particularly towards people with disabilities.
Not too long ago, more than 60,000 people were sterilized in the United States based on eugenic laws. Most of these operations were performed before the 1960s in institutions for the so-called mentally ill or mentally deficient. In the early 20th century across the country, medical superintendents, legislators, and social reformers affiliated with an emerging eugenics movement joined forces to put sterilization laws on the books. Such legislation was motivated by crude theories of human heredity that posited the wholesale inheritance of traits associated with a panoply of feared conditions such as criminality, feeblemindedness, and sexual deviance. Many sterilization advocates viewed reproductive surgery as a necessary public health intervention that would protect society from deleterious genes and the social and economic costs of managing degenerate stock. From todays vantage point, compulsory sterilization looks patently like reproductive coercion and unethical medical practice.
At the time, however, sterilization both was countenanced by the U.S. Supreme Court (in the 1927 Buck v. Bell case) and supported by many scientists, reformers, and lawmakers as one prong of a larger strategy to improve society by encouraging the reproduction of the fit and restricting the procreation of the unfit. In total, 32 U.S. states passed sterilization laws between 1907 and 1937, and surgeries reached their highest numbers in the late 1930s and early 1940s. Beginning in the 1970s, state legislatures began to repeal these laws, finding them antiquated and discriminatory, particularly towards people with disabilities.
This is not ancient history either. China itself imposed a strict "one child" policy. A U.S. Presidential candidate blaming poor people in developing nations for climate impacts? I can understand if Trump made that statement.
https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/8/13/20799161/one-child-nation-interview-nanfu-wang
How filmmaker Nanfu Wang exposed the global repercussions of Chinas one child policy
Documentarian Nanfu Wang grew up in rural China under the countrys one child policy, which lasted from 1979 to 2015. Her own parents had two children, since the law made an exception for families living in rural areas, as long as the children were at least five years apart but not until after her mother narrowly escaped involuntary sterilization. Many other women were not so lucky. The policys mental, physical, and emotional toll on the country, especially its women, was tremendous.
To enforce such an invasive policy on a population as large as Chinas required more than just strict policing it required self-policing, especially in rural areas, far away from more densely populated urban centers. So, as One Child Nation shows, the Chinese government blanketed the country with propaganda intended to convince citizens to keep their family sizes within the allowed limit, and to report on their neighbors if they suspected anyone wasnt following the rules. Along with forced abortions and sterilizations, the propaganda effort ensured that most of the population would abide by the policy, seeing it as a necessary and good measure for the health of their families and their future.
One Child Nation is Wangs personal and journalistic exploration of the ramifications of the One Child era, both in China and around the world. She speaks with a midwife in China who had to perform abortions on thousands of women; an artist who depicts the grisly results of the policy; and a couple in the US who help adopted Chinese children try to reunite with their biological families, many of whom sold children to orphanages for adoption abroad because they already had a child. It is a harrowing film that confronts and confounds Western ideas about agency, choice, reproduction, and bodily autonomy.
Documentarian Nanfu Wang grew up in rural China under the countrys one child policy, which lasted from 1979 to 2015. Her own parents had two children, since the law made an exception for families living in rural areas, as long as the children were at least five years apart but not until after her mother narrowly escaped involuntary sterilization. Many other women were not so lucky. The policys mental, physical, and emotional toll on the country, especially its women, was tremendous.
To enforce such an invasive policy on a population as large as Chinas required more than just strict policing it required self-policing, especially in rural areas, far away from more densely populated urban centers. So, as One Child Nation shows, the Chinese government blanketed the country with propaganda intended to convince citizens to keep their family sizes within the allowed limit, and to report on their neighbors if they suspected anyone wasnt following the rules. Along with forced abortions and sterilizations, the propaganda effort ensured that most of the population would abide by the policy, seeing it as a necessary and good measure for the health of their families and their future.
One Child Nation is Wangs personal and journalistic exploration of the ramifications of the One Child era, both in China and around the world. She speaks with a midwife in China who had to perform abortions on thousands of women; an artist who depicts the grisly results of the policy; and a couple in the US who help adopted Chinese children try to reunite with their biological families, many of whom sold children to orphanages for adoption abroad because they already had a child. It is a harrowing film that confronts and confounds Western ideas about agency, choice, reproduction, and bodily autonomy.
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Totally disagree ... this is one the greatest things I've ever seen Bernie take up
mr_lebowski
Sep 2019
#32
Well I agree with Bernie for a change. Birth control should be available to all women who want them.
wasupaloopa
Sep 2019
#6
No that is a misguided interpretation. He never said anything like that. The story writer said it.
wasupaloopa
Sep 2019
#15
Exactly. Reducing population growth is literally the ONLY THING that will even begin
mr_lebowski
Sep 2019
#34
Fifteen countries are responsible for more than two thirds of global CO2 emissions
dalton99a
Sep 2019
#49
pregnancy prevention is a better term, wonder why bernie chooses not to use it nt
msongs
Sep 2019
#17
I'm surprised a good "democratic socialist" like Bernie didn't come back with the fact that
WhiskeyGrinder
Sep 2019
#18
Humans are causing overly rapid climate change. "Overpopulation" is not.
WhiskeyGrinder
Sep 2019
#21
There are plenty of radical solutions to those problems that don't require controlling a person's
WhiskeyGrinder
Sep 2019
#46
See, the problem some people have is Bernie never mentioned "Population control" nor did he
Autumn
Sep 2019
#50
What Bernie actually said doesn't fit their narrative, so they will find anything to twist like
Autumn
Sep 2019
#54
AND that is exactly what Bernie said. He said NOTHING about "Population control" and you ignore
Autumn
Sep 2019
#55
the biggest is women's rights and equality. you don't need to focus on population itself
JI7
Sep 2019
#25
I find myself agreeing with the exerpts from what Bernie said. Mostly. He displays ignorance about
Hekate
Sep 2019
#37
Well I am glad to hear that, at least. The Hyde Amendment was a compromise from back in the day
Hekate
Sep 2019
#65
Quite right. Educating girls has been long overlooked. A couple of facts that blew me away...
Hekate
Sep 2019
#42