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TomCADem

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22. Bernie's comment seems to take reproductive rights in America for granted
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 10:57 PM
Sep 2019

Bernie did not say "women in America should have access to abortion and birth control." Bernie actually said:

"The answer has everything to do with the fact that women in the United States of America, by the way, have a right to control their own bodies, and make reproductive decisions."


Maybe he has a lot more faith in the current composition of the Supreme Court, but I think we will need to fight for the reproductive rights of women in America, as well as women in poor countries.

Also, tying reproductive rights to poor people? That is a horrible gaffe given the history in the United States regarding forced sterilization:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sterilization-united-states_n_568f35f2e4b0c8beacf68713

That Time The United States Sterilized 60,000 Of Its Citizens

Not too long ago, more than 60,000 people were sterilized in the United States based on eugenic laws. Most of these operations were performed before the 1960s in institutions for the so-called “mentally ill” or “mentally deficient.” In the early 20th century across the country, medical superintendents, legislators, and social reformers affiliated with an emerging eugenics movement joined forces to put sterilization laws on the books. Such legislation was motivated by crude theories of human heredity that posited the wholesale inheritance of traits associated with a panoply of feared conditions such as criminality, feeblemindedness, and sexual deviance. Many sterilization advocates viewed reproductive surgery as a necessary public health intervention that would protect society from deleterious genes and the social and economic costs of managing “degenerate stock.” From today’s vantage point, compulsory sterilization looks patently like reproductive coercion and unethical medical practice.

At the time, however, sterilization both was countenanced by the U.S. Supreme Court (in the 1927 Buck v. Bell case) and supported by many scientists, reformers, and lawmakers as one prong of a larger strategy to improve society by encouraging the reproduction of the “fit” and restricting the procreation of the “unfit.” In total, 32 U.S. states passed sterilization laws between 1907 and 1937, and surgeries reached their highest numbers in the late 1930s and early 1940s. Beginning in the 1970s, state legislatures began to repeal these laws, finding them antiquated and discriminatory, particularly towards people with disabilities.


This is not ancient history either. China itself imposed a strict "one child" policy. A U.S. Presidential candidate blaming poor people in developing nations for climate impacts? I can understand if Trump made that statement.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/8/13/20799161/one-child-nation-interview-nanfu-wang

How filmmaker Nanfu Wang exposed the global repercussions of China’s “one child” policy

Documentarian Nanfu Wang grew up in rural China under the country’s “one child” policy, which lasted from 1979 to 2015. Her own parents had two children, since the law made an exception for families living in rural areas, as long as the children were at least five years apart — but not until after her mother narrowly escaped involuntary sterilization. Many other women were not so lucky. The policy’s mental, physical, and emotional toll on the country, especially its women, was tremendous.

To enforce such an invasive policy on a population as large as China’s required more than just strict policing — it required self-policing, especially in rural areas, far away from more densely populated urban centers. So, as One Child Nation shows, the Chinese government blanketed the country with propaganda intended to convince citizens to keep their family sizes within the allowed limit, and to report on their neighbors if they suspected anyone wasn’t following the rules. Along with forced abortions and sterilizations, the propaganda effort ensured that most of the population would abide by the policy, seeing it as a necessary and good measure for the health of their families and their future.

One Child Nation is Wang’s personal and journalistic exploration of the ramifications of the One Child era, both in China and around the world. She speaks with a midwife in China who had to perform abortions on thousands of women; an artist who depicts the grisly results of the policy; and a couple in the US who help adopted Chinese children try to reunite with their biological families, many of whom sold children to orphanages for adoption abroad because they already had a child. It is a harrowing film that confronts and confounds Western ideas about agency, choice, reproduction, and bodily autonomy.


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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
This is disqualifying. George II Sep 2019 #1
It's just one thing after another... NurseJackie Sep 2019 #3
.... KPN Sep 2019 #5
You're anti-abortion? Lordquinton Sep 2019 #30
Totally disagree ... this is one the greatest things I've ever seen Bernie take up mr_lebowski Sep 2019 #32
Yep. Jirel Sep 2019 #38
That would've been accurate, but not IMHO necessary to avoid consternation mr_lebowski Sep 2019 #39
The conservative "uproar" is ridiculous. Nt spooky3 Sep 2019 #2
So you are objecting to the availability of birth control and choice worldwide? KPN Sep 2019 #4
I agree. billpolonsky Sep 2019 #12
Bingo! Another Round Of Bernie Bashing In Pure Form! (n/t) corbettkroehler Sep 2019 #61
Well I agree with Bernie for a change. Birth control should be available to all women who want them. wasupaloopa Sep 2019 #6
That is a separate issue -- he is wrapping it in climate change NYMinute Sep 2019 #11
So when he says women in America Buzz cook Sep 2019 #13
Bernie's comment seems to take reproductive rights in America for granted TomCADem Sep 2019 #22
Bernie is wrong. sheshe2 Sep 2019 #26
+1000 nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #28
No we do not! sheshe2 Sep 2019 #29
No that is a misguided interpretation. He never said anything like that. The story writer said it. wasupaloopa Sep 2019 #15
Exactly. Reducing population growth is literally the ONLY THING that will even begin mr_lebowski Sep 2019 #34
This is utterly ridiculous and borderline ignorant BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #7
Some people might think opposing voluntary birth control ... GeorgeGist Sep 2019 #8
That is an entirely separate issue NYMinute Sep 2019 #10
Baloney. Human population is the number one driver KPN Sep 2019 #14
Not all humans have the same carbon footprint NYMinute Sep 2019 #16
Who said anything about them being the same - regardless of the KPN Sep 2019 #19
The carbon footprint of each person DOES MATTER. Blue_true Sep 2019 #24
+1000 nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #27
+2000 betsuni Sep 2019 #31
IMHO, you're wrong, and here's why ... mr_lebowski Sep 2019 #35
The vast majority of people in poor countries do not immigrate. Blue_true Sep 2019 #59
Fifteen countries are responsible for more than two thirds of global CO2 emissions dalton99a Sep 2019 #49
More relevant numbers? Pantagruel Sep 2019 #52
Nothing borderline about it The Mouth Sep 2019 #62
Very good observations. nt Blue_true Sep 2019 #23
Disqualifying indeed nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #9
pregnancy prevention is a better term, wonder why bernie chooses not to use it nt msongs Sep 2019 #17
I'm surprised a good "democratic socialist" like Bernie didn't come back with the fact that WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2019 #18
Oh brother .... really? That's quite an extrapolation KPN Sep 2019 #20
Humans are causing overly rapid climate change. "Overpopulation" is not. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2019 #21
Except that yes, it is. Jirel Sep 2019 #41
There are plenty of radical solutions to those problems that don't require controlling a person's WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2019 #46
See, the problem some people have is Bernie never mentioned "Population control" nor did he Autumn Sep 2019 #50
Exactly. Thank you. KPN Sep 2019 #53
What Bernie actually said doesn't fit their narrative, so they will find anything to twist like Autumn Sep 2019 #54
AND that is exactly what Bernie said. He said NOTHING about "Population control" and you ignore Autumn Sep 2019 #55
the biggest is women's rights and equality. you don't need to focus on population itself JI7 Sep 2019 #25
I agree with the statements Bernie makes in the post Farmer-Rick Sep 2019 #33
Exactily this Lordquinton Sep 2019 #36
I find myself agreeing with the exerpts from what Bernie said. Mostly. He displays ignorance about Hekate Sep 2019 #37
Please help me understand something The Mouth Sep 2019 #63
Well I am glad to hear that, at least. The Hyde Amendment was a compromise from back in the day Hekate Sep 2019 #65
Thanks The Mouth Sep 2019 #66
The United Nations has reported... HelpImSurrounded Sep 2019 #40
Quite right. Educating girls has been long overlooked. A couple of facts that blew me away... Hekate Sep 2019 #42
Which is why MY list of necessary steps includes... HelpImSurrounded Sep 2019 #60
K&R Gothmog Sep 2019 #43
It's been a long time coming. Autumn Sep 2019 #44
Yes it has! Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2019 #45
This is troubling for Bernie. LanternWaste Sep 2019 #47
Not at all, Bernie isn't FFR. Here's a good thread to use the "This is troubling for Bernie." Autumn Sep 2019 #48
This is dumb jcgoldie Sep 2019 #51
Thank you for calling it what it is. The lack KPN Sep 2019 #56
Some people don't have the cognitive capacity to think beyone 'either/or' The Mouth Sep 2019 #64
The media loves uproar - they create it in fact. Joe941 Sep 2019 #57
All democrats should support the right of women around the world Politicub Sep 2019 #58
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