Democratic Primaries

LeftTurn3623

(628 posts) Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:41 AM Oct 2019

The hard truth about Biden and I hate saying it [View all]

First I know I have EW as who I am supporting but I am still kind of undecided. I'm actually starting to lean toward Pete Buttigieg the more I see of him. So my support has nothing to do with what I am about to say.

And I hate to say this cause I like Biden. I always have. Saw him speak live at West York High School (York, PA) in 2008. This pains me to say but Biden just does not have it any more. I assume its age. Everyone ages differently. He gets lost on the debate stage. He forgets what he is saying in mid sentence. He messes up his facts. You can see he knows what he wants to say but he cant get it out. He was a much better debater so you know it has to be his age getting to him. It happens it everyone.

The one commentator on MSNBC even said after the debate (which I was surprised) This was on a question about Sanders - I'm paraphrasing : Sanders did really well tonight. Even though he is older and just coming back from a heart attack he was more coherent than Biden.

I just do not think we can turn a blind eye to this anymore. Then you add in his fundraising numbers and it just backs up the lack of excitement Biden produces.

Starting to think that more center Dems should start looking elsewhere. Pete or Klobuchar maybe? But this is a real problem.

I hope its not wrong for me to say these.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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The hard truth about Biden and I hate saying it [View all] LeftTurn3623 Oct 2019 OP

VP Biden will be ok. Iliyah Oct 2019 #1

Former VP, the commentator was right, Bernie looked sharper Baclava Oct 2019 #21

Commentators only True Blue American Oct 2019 #32

Everybody only gives their opinions.. whathehell Oct 2019 #40

They can also be as bad. True Blue American Oct 2019 #49

Did anyone say otherwise? whathehell Oct 2019 #58

My opinions in this thread have to do with True Blue American Oct 2019 #62

Uh huh whathehell Oct 2019 #150

Here's the reason Bernie looked sharper: luvtheGWN Oct 2019 #51

Plus, he's had a couple of weeks off the campaign trail to rest. Texin Oct 2019 #56

It also seems like his questions are not gotchas Dream Girl Oct 2019 #77

Amen, he could just carrying a recorder in his pocket and hit play. redstatebluegirl Oct 2019 #87

x1000! peggysue2 Oct 2019 #90

He Says the Same Things... McKim Oct 2019 #92

that is the thing I admire about Bernie The Mouth Oct 2019 #118

+100 InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #152

I guess, when Bernie's right, he's right... that never changes, true!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #151

Well when you've been saying the same thing over and over and over again for years I'm sure he UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #161

Yea, but I don't want OK. kacekwl Oct 2019 #50

I don't know if it is a matter of him "not having it" anymore. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #2

Agree with you. zentrum Oct 2019 #3

Opening up clogged arteries in your heart will do that sdfernando Oct 2019 #44

Fascinating. zentrum Oct 2019 #139

No, I think I will just donate...and the piling up on Biden makes me more determined to Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #4

sorry LeftTurn3623 Oct 2019 #15

+1 myohmy2 Oct 2019 #26

100% SterlingPound Oct 2019 #60

Which elephant are you talking about. You name about four. LakeArenal Oct 2019 #86

You see it that way because you want to...and it is piling on...he has a different style than Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #162

That's strange. cwydro Oct 2019 #42

I've noticed that StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #78

Your candidate has pretty much got a pass and has not been attacked like Biden has been Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #160

Oh, Jeebus, are they starting back up with that again? SMC22307 Oct 2019 #171

Do not True Blue American Oct 2019 #52

Very true...we must get rid of the orange idiot. Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #159

She's actually trolling trump on fb. cwydro Oct 2019 #54

I do not believe she will win the electoral college...she has my vote in a general of course but Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #157

Your vote is yours, and I don't pretend to have any ownership over it ramen Oct 2019 #127

I have never 'taken my ball and gone home'...I vote blue no matter who in a general...but MFA Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #158

I misunderstood the last couple sentence fragments, ramen Oct 2019 #164

I probably should have been more clear...no problem... Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #169

I agree... Mike Nelson Oct 2019 #5

you know LeftTurn3623 Oct 2019 #7

I think one of the reasons this has... Mike Nelson Oct 2019 #12

Very fond of him as VP and before he announced I had thought he would be the one Autumn Oct 2019 #6

I liked Steyer last night, too, Autumn. JudyM Oct 2019 #141

Yes he has some really good ideas. I watch his videos on FB. He's a very good person Autumn Oct 2019 #154

So why are you backing Steyer? ehrnst Oct 2019 #144

Your concern is noted. highplainsdem Oct 2019 #8

This is one of those responses that I don't think is worthy of DU. If... LAS14 Oct 2019 #18

I think you should let people respond Cha Oct 2019 #22

I will continue to make a case for rational discussion as contrasted with ad hominem interaction. n LAS14 Oct 2019 #29

People don't like to be told what to do. I know Cha Oct 2019 #31

Neither do I True Blue American Oct 2019 #57

Nobody does.. I can't believe someone's Cha Oct 2019 #95

Aloha back. True Blue American Oct 2019 #136

Lol, one of the posters you're defending often tells others how and what to post. cwydro Oct 2019 #166

Yet you told the poster what they shouldn't be doing Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #91

OMG LOL RandiFan1290 Oct 2019 #142

They'd rather just insinuate that you're a troll. Cobalt Violet Oct 2019 #38

Thank you. cwydro Oct 2019 #167

How does one pronounce cwydro? Is it Welsh? nt LAS14 Oct 2019 #172

Thank you. True Blue American Oct 2019 #36

If you can't tell the difference between what the op said Lordquinton Oct 2019 #145

Perhaps the "Biden is losing it folks" snowybirdie Oct 2019 #9

Stuttering is not the same as getting facts wrong. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #28

Biden did not get the facts wrong! True Blue American Oct 2019 #39

His stuttering issue is not the problem. pangaia Oct 2019 #47

I listened to the debate this morning. True Blue American Oct 2019 #65

+1000 This needs to be said FakeNoose Oct 2019 #80

Hard truth? Hard opinion. Everyone has one LakeArenal Oct 2019 #10

Yeah, it's "hard opinion" and the OP is Cha Oct 2019 #73

Pura Vida as they say in Costa Rica LakeArenal Oct 2019 #82

Interesting that DU is one of the only forums that thinks EW did so well Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #99

They're proud she dodged from what I'm reading.. not sure why. Cha Oct 2019 #107

Oh don't ya thou!! Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #114

Joe was laying out a whole list of facts True Blue American Oct 2019 #120

Aww, so sorry cwydro Oct 2019 #133

I am not sorry. True Blue American Oct 2019 #137

Lol. cwydro Oct 2019 #138

Funny, it seems like DU is one of the few places that thinks Warren didn't do well Lordquinton Oct 2019 #146

He's had stuttering problems his whole life. W_HAMILTON Oct 2019 #11

+1 dalton99a Oct 2019 #14

I hope you are right LeftTurn3623 Oct 2019 #19

Again, thank you. True Blue American Oct 2019 #41

It looked like he knew what he wanted to say, but couldn't quite get it out at times Martin Eden Oct 2019 #53

I have. Both stayed articulate, but had problems with simple daily processes, losing stuff, short emmaverybo Oct 2019 #85

*That* is a sign of aging -- not full blown dementia or Alzheimer's. W_HAMILTON Oct 2019 #100

With dementia, persistent short term memory problems, inability to follow steps in a process, emmaverybo Oct 2019 #130

I think we are seeing latent signs of his stuttering ALBliberal Oct 2019 #13

Yep. And he will not be in a group debate with Putin. His speeches and writings have been A+, emmaverybo Oct 2019 #89

I attended 2 of Joe's campaign appearances in January 2008, just ahead bullwinkle428 Oct 2019 #16

Vitality and mental competence don't last forever. We all age. We age in a variety of ways. Eyeball_Kid Oct 2019 #37

you seem very concerned ! stonecutter357 Oct 2019 #17

See my reply #18. LAS14 Oct 2019 #20

No , I think i will just put you on Full Ignore and Auto-trash by Keyword ! stonecutter357 Oct 2019 #23

Aloha, stonecutter! Cha Oct 2019 #25

Hi cha ! stonecutter357 Oct 2019 #30

lol Cha Oct 2019 #34

... Scurrilous Oct 2019 #84

Good idea.. because it's never right to drag down our dem candidates Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #102

+1 myohmy2 Oct 2019 #24

He's competing against Democrats. MaryMagdaline Oct 2019 #27

:) True Blue American Oct 2019 #43

That's a problem for me Jarqui Oct 2019 #46

I mostly agree with that. LuvNewcastle Oct 2019 #101

I think u r correct on this. wnylib Oct 2019 #131

Just read the transcript of any Trump speech! maddiemom Oct 2019 #72

Well... you're right. Eyeball_Kid Oct 2019 #33

Welcome to DU! You must have been watching a different debate than I did because Joe emulatorloo Oct 2019 #35

Except... phandancer917 Oct 2019 #48

It was pretty clear he wants to increase capital gains tax, he even stated the percentage of emulatorloo Oct 2019 #64

I believe Biden said he wanted to double the CAP Gains Tax Rate ritapria Oct 2019 #109

Which one? Mosby Oct 2019 #123

Yes, he did! Again, DU seems to be one of the only forums that doesn't think so- Amy was great Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #110

Though you allege concern LanternWaste Oct 2019 #45

you want a sample LeftTurn3623 Oct 2019 #134

And still... simply anecdotal and unsupported interpretive inference. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #135

As I said in another thread kennetha Oct 2019 #55

trump: "Joe Biden has truly lost his fastball" - August 9 crazytown Oct 2019 #69

+1 emulatorloo Oct 2019 #71

It's Not Wrong to Say It panfluteman Oct 2019 #59

Someone who has been active on the national and international.. Kahuna7 Oct 2019 #61

So make him an adviser SterlingPound Oct 2019 #67

He voted for the Iraq war. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2019 #79

Yep Lordquinton Oct 2019 #147

I'll see your mahalo and raise you one hakuna matata Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2019 #148

which is what he will draw upon in his daily duties and interactions as Prez, not some dazzling emmaverybo Oct 2019 #94

You: " I hate to say this cause I like Biden"? dubyadiprecession Oct 2019 #63

:) True Blue American Oct 2019 #66

same mis-direction as always, there will be plenty of money for Biden as he brings a huge big tent beachbumbob Oct 2019 #68

Indeed! Sanders far out raised Hillary in '16. Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #111

Now I have to donate to Joe again Green Line Oct 2019 #70

I'm 100% with you. Have felt this since pnwest Oct 2019 #74

Well, Ha! blue-wave Oct 2019 #75

And he has from his launch, which is why Trump fears him. emmaverybo Oct 2019 #96

And he made that very clear, especially when it comes to foreign policy Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #112

Warren would eat trump alive on the stage Lordquinton Oct 2019 #149

Your concern and empathy towards Biden brought tears to my eyes PhoenixDem Oct 2019 #76

lol Cha Oct 2019 #88

You're right vlyons Oct 2019 #81

He may have been faster on his feet in a debate in the past, The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #83

I agree about Joe Biden and I am not happy with Elizabeth Warren for other reasons. Chemisse Oct 2019 #93

Me too! Amy and Pete were so spot on!! Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #113

./? raging moderate Oct 2019 #97

I agree with you Beringia Oct 2019 #98

The fact that he's not buying ads to target younger voters pretty much sums it up lettucebe Oct 2019 #103

I agree jcgoldie Oct 2019 #104

Biden 'had it', greatly, in 2008, but Dem primary voters paved the road empedocles Oct 2019 #105

Joe Biden's alleged ability awesomerwb1 Oct 2019 #106

I agree. He struggles to find words when he answers. jalan48 Oct 2019 #108

I think it has to do with debate prep jcgoldie Oct 2019 #115

If he's our candidate the problem will be magnified. jalan48 Oct 2019 #116

Ya sew doubts about our best candidates bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #117

+1. We've seen this movie, and we know how it ends. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2019 #121

But when one hates to do it, but tells the "hard truth" anyway? Doesn't that kind of heroic emmaverybo Oct 2019 #126

I'm not worried about Joe Biden Baked Potato Oct 2019 #119

neither am I.. Peacetrain Oct 2019 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author Peacetrain Oct 2019 #122

I did not watch last night Katinfl Oct 2019 #125

I met Biden at a fundraiser after the Houston Debate and I disagree Gothmog Oct 2019 #128

If the low-information voters, indie voters and a small % of R voters willing to vote D stopbush Oct 2019 #129

My deplorable co worker said he could 'handle' Biden. I said Oh come on nobody else on the debate UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #163

"Debating" on a stage with 11 other people has nothing to do with being President! ElementaryPenguin Oct 2019 #132

Correct, we are electing a president, not a debating team coach. totodeinhere Oct 2019 #143

Thank you for backing up your opionion with supporting reasons. Joe941 Oct 2019 #140

Why does the MSM make age a factor for Warren, Sanders and Biden but nobody says doc03 Oct 2019 #153

A few of us have been saying this for a quite a while True Dough Oct 2019 #155

I supported Biden in 2007, saw him in person and motorcity Oct 2019 #156

I too sometimes forget what I'm saying mid-sentence if it's a complex argument BUT mahina Oct 2019 #165

It hasn't PDittie Oct 2019 #168

I think you are wrong and consider this. Joe is still the front runner despite some pollsters and Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #170

I was wondering if this was discussed here. redqueen Oct 2019 #173