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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 04:40 PM Oct 2019

Oh no. Joe compares Bernie and Elizabeth to Trump on M4A. [View all]

We don't need this.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/10/17/supporting-medicare-all-biden-accuses-sanders-and-warren-playing-trumps-game-and?fbclid=IwAR3lsJkVPwzT366EeOji6VPYxHAbG_1ewVIH6CxAbyNwuk5P4U-i9OTXX8Y

Link to the video:


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For reference, here's some possible financing options. Of course, nothing is finalized and these are subject to change:

A 70 percent top marginal tax rate on Americans earning over $10 million per year;
A 77 percent top tax rate on estates above $1 billion;
A tax on "extreme wealth";
A "fee on large financial institutions";
A "7.5 percent income-based premium paid by employers, exempting the first $2 million in payroll to protect small businesses"; and
A four percent "income-based premium paid by employees, exempting the first $29,000 in income for a family of four."

Source: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/04/10/how-will-you-pay-it-bernie-sanders-tackles-key-question-medicare-all

And before you say OmG cOmMoN dReAmS!!1!1 please acknowledge Biden's own words.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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And, BS said Biden is sounding like trump on M4A.. Cha Oct 2019 #1
so we agree that NO ONE qazplm135 Oct 2019 #15
Exactly. Cha Oct 2019 #18
Four hours and no response. Hmmmm. George II Oct 2019 #58
That's pretty fucked up melman Oct 2019 #2
"Bernie Sanders Says Biden 'Is Sounding Like Donald Trump' on Medicare for All" Cha Oct 2019 #5
Looking at that thread melman Oct 2019 #8
Any comment on how "pretty fucked up" it was for Cha Oct 2019 #10
No melman Oct 2019 #14
Yeah I figured.. it's ok for BS to bring fucking trump's Cha Oct 2019 #17
+1000. ehrnst Oct 2019 #37
Mahalo, ehrnst! Cha Oct 2019 #66
Mayor Pete on MFA in 2018 ritapria Oct 2019 #77
Those pesky facts!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #79
And? (nt) ehrnst Oct 2019 #86
"I don't like either of them doing it." melman Oct 2019 #45
This sure beats coming up with an actual response, doesn't it? ehrnst Oct 2019 #87
That's the way it works, isn't it? George II Oct 2019 #55
Yep.. and there we have it. Cha Oct 2019 #65
Bazinga! George II Oct 2019 #67
No it isn't, it's pretty much the same. But for some that's ok I guess. Wonder why? George II Oct 2019 #41
If it's the same melman Oct 2019 #42
Too busy trying to convince those who are bashing Biden that he didn't do as accused.... George II Oct 2019 #48
Bazinga! ehrnst Oct 2019 #89
Swing and a miss melman Oct 2019 #95
Nope. George II Oct 2019 #99
Of course you're holding Sanders to a lower standard. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #97
I get his point though...both want to end the ACA for something worse in Trump's case and kind of Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #94
I agree with Biden OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #49
I listened 4 times and I thought it was an odd statement ChubbyStar Oct 2019 #3
Somebody get me a bucket Modern Fictions Oct 2019 #4
Did this make you "nauseous"?! Cha Oct 2019 #6
Yes, Does That Give You Comfort? Modern Fictions Oct 2019 #16
What are you talking about? Cha Oct 2019 #19
Let Me Spell It Out Modern Fictions Oct 2019 #22
I asked a question.. my "comfort" has nothing to do with it. Cha Oct 2019 #23
So BS's July statement made you more nauseated than you've been since 2003? lapucelle Oct 2019 #28
The donut gag! melman Oct 2019 #29
lol ehrnst Oct 2019 #35
Oh melman Oct 2019 #40
Yes, same as before... boring. ehrnst Oct 2019 #88
Phillip Johnson's Glass House in New Canaan, CT melman Oct 2019 #93
Lol. Same thing over and over again. ehrnst Oct 2019 #101
I prefer cupcakes myself: George II Oct 2019 #51
A happy cupcake is preferable to one that's angry. lapucelle Oct 2019 #57
Well what do you know, nice catch Cha. Mahalo! George II Oct 2019 #39
Oh I sure as hell didn't forget that.. Cha Oct 2019 #64
So criticizing Warren is as bad as invading Iraq...ridiculous. What we have here is a difference of Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #96
Joe's right. MFA is impossible to happen - more impossible than the building of Trump's pet project. Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #7
It's impossible when Democrats buy into false GOP cost arguments. That is true. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #9
Congressional Budget office says mfa... 32 trillion over the next decade. Realistically... you Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #12
How much will we pay for medical insurance without it? I bet it's shitloads more. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #13
BINGO!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #80
Its not shitloads more dansolo Oct 2019 #82
If we only break-even, I can live with that. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #106
You are right because Scandinavian countries could not do it, Canada could not do it Perseus Oct 2019 #20
We aren't SMART enough to achieve universal healthcare when greed blm Oct 2019 #33
It may come as a surprise that Canada has "universal healthcare" (a confusing misnomer, btw).... George II Oct 2019 #44
depends which province you live in. Quebec has the most comprehensive floppyboo Oct 2019 #74
It's impossible because it took 10 years for ACA to start...START catching on..and all we heard was UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #61
And the Dems ran from it for a while to be safe. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #63
Refreshing and courageous honesty, Skya Rhen. The hard truth is hard. emmaverybo Oct 2019 #24
I guess it is a hard truth when we can't even get Democrats to embrace our values. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #26
It is not tacking right to adopt a feasible plan to get to universal healthcare. M4All is simply not emmaverybo Oct 2019 #30
It was called "impossible upthread." Gore1FL Oct 2019 #34
Universal healthcare simply means healthcare for all. It is not synonymous with M4All. It is not emmaverybo Oct 2019 #60
I'd much rather pay higher taxes and lower health premiums in the total cost is lower. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #108
For many, that could be true--their tax raise may be more than compensated by what they save emmaverybo Oct 2019 #110
It's just weird that every other western nation can do this. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #113
NHS is getting privatized and is a mess. People on Medicaid have much better healthcare. America emmaverybo Oct 2019 #117
They are still better than what we have. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #118
We can have universal healthcare. It does not have to be M4All. It does not have to be single-payer, emmaverybo Oct 2019 #119
It is impossible and will end just like Clintoncare...and maybe we lose the ACA in the attempt...bad Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #102
Bullshit Gore1FL Oct 2019 #107
People always talk about values when they want something that will make us lose. What value is there Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #114
That's an argument I've heard for forty years. It's been wrong the whole time Gore1FL Oct 2019 #115
+1000 emmaverybo Oct 2019 #111
How much more likely is Biden's plan? Why are Republicans more likely to vote to expand the ACA... TCJ70 Oct 2019 #54
We need the Senate and no one gets much without it, but the GOP have been beaten up badly over Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #103
Fully aware. Given that...I'll back the people that want to go the furthest... TCJ70 Oct 2019 #109
Agreed. But lets focus on fantasy plans instead of shit that can GET DONE. nt UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #62
That is FAR from "comparing" them to trump. George II Oct 2019 #11
"Playing Trump's game, trying to con the American people" Modern Fictions Oct 2019 #21
He addressed what he thought our side should not do--he names "Democrats," and he is right. emmaverybo Oct 2019 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2019 #112
I'm close to abandoning the whole bunch randr Oct 2019 #27
I thought that is called a platform the party adopts after we elect a nominee. It is not new that emmaverybo Oct 2019 #31
If the candidates had all the same stances on all of the issues... TwilightZone Oct 2019 #53
Amy/Pete or Pete/Amy would make for a wonderful outcome for America and the world Celerity Oct 2019 #83
One of my main concerns is the state of our governing system in DC randr Oct 2019 #85
I disagree brooklynite Oct 2019 #32
They took over once with a "contract for America" randr Oct 2019 #59
None of the elements of which were discussed in detail brooklynite Oct 2019 #71
Right, just simple statements that reflected the wants of their voters randr Oct 2019 #72
What we don't need are decontextualized characterizations from Common Dreams lapucelle Oct 2019 #36
Oh no, "Bernie Sanders Says Biden 'Is Sounding Like Donald Trump' on Medicare for All" George II Oct 2019 #38
That is exactly why... tonedevil Oct 2019 #47
I stand with Biden on this one. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #43
He keeps sinking himself. Go for it. BeckyDem Oct 2019 #46
Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #50
YOUR OPINION ChubbyStar Oct 2019 #68
I think you're following me around trying to get me banned OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #69
Sorry you are not that compelling ChubbyStar Oct 2019 #70
strike three Kurt V. Oct 2019 #52
Strike TWENTY-three!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #81
I'm thinking about ignoring threads that are sourced from pot stirrers like The Hill, Politico, and emulatorloo Oct 2019 #56
No problem. HerbChestnut Oct 2019 #73
I'm not "upset" by your source, I just think those three sites exist to stir up shit about Democrats emulatorloo Oct 2019 #75
Biden has a point; but, yeah, I wouldn't compare them to trump, even if Hoyt Oct 2019 #76
Somewhere between a figurative and literal translation. Wash. state Desk Jet Oct 2019 #78
I do not like ANY of our candidates inferring ANY of our candidates are Trumpian cons or comparing Celerity Oct 2019 #84
Biden should take this back and apologize. Joe941 Oct 2019 #90
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2019 #91
Right. Sanders and Warren do not remotely sound like tRump on healthcare. CentralMass Oct 2019 #105
This is troubling for Bernie. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #98
The way I see it is, MFA is probably pipe dream but ecstatic Oct 2019 #92
Same choir pretending this is critical, and throwing it at the wall. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #100
You kids quit bickering. LakeArenal Oct 2019 #104
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