Democratic Primaries

pnwmom

(108,977 posts) Thu Oct 17, 2019, 09:48 PM Oct 2019

Just saw that clip of Andrew Yang saying we had interfered with other countries' elections. [View all]

That disturbed me. I liked Amy's response -- that it was wrong to make a moral equivalence between what Russia did in our election and anything we've done.

Rachel just questioned him about this, and asked him to give a specific example, and he couldn't answer.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Just saw that clip of Andrew Yang saying we had interfered with other countries' elections. [View all] pnwmom Oct 2019 OP

He had no answer and he totally evaded and clearly could not answer and had no example to give Pachamama Oct 2019 #1

Yeah, it seemed like he was just winging it, because he made the comment in the debate pnwmom Oct 2019 #3

Yep - uninformed at worst FreeState Oct 2019 #4

Maybe just reluctant to see the end of his campaign right there if he had... brush Oct 2019 #56

+1000 Well said. Kind of Blue Oct 2019 #83

You're welcome. The book is informative and a good read. You can put it down... brush Oct 2019 #85

Thank you! Plus we intervened in Chile, Venezuela and Nicaragua. Scotch-Irish Oct 2019 #153

Wow.. who does he think he is.. Cha Oct 2019 #25

Gabbard had the "Regime Change" covered.... Pachamama Oct 2019 #30

Thank you for that! Cha Oct 2019 #33

I've read he and Gabbard are Cha Oct 2019 #73

Yang was absolutely right.. and he SHOULD have had an answer......... pangaia Oct 2019 #31

If he had answered honestly Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #58

Then it could be argued that it was a pretty stupid move to repeat Trump talking pats of Pachamama Oct 2019 #139

Well, you're certainly right about that. pangaia Oct 2019 #141

We've done a lot of bad things to a lot of countries. Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #143

They are pretty well documented. See post 37. brush Oct 2019 #38

It is well documented Cartaphelius Oct 2019 #137

I do recall from years ago CIA had helped remove at140 Oct 2019 #152

I was *very* unimpressed with his answer to Rachel's question about that. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #2

$1000 promise Pachamama Oct 2019 #11

We have meddled in this hemisphere for decades. See post 37. brush Oct 2019 #39

Yes, but Yang could have said so instead of dodging the question. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #41

That would've been the end of his campaign right there. brush Oct 2019 #53

To call out our corporate imperialism in any detail would've been the end of... brush Oct 2019 #55

your comments here are all very good.... pangaia Oct 2019 #142

Your posts are on point too. Glad to see a few of us know some of the history of our... brush Oct 2019 #144

We interfered in South America when Reagan was President. wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #5

Did we invade their elections systems? How is it we "made sure" they didn't win elections? n/t pnwmom Oct 2019 #7

We supplied the means for the opposition to threaten and kill people. wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #14

Yes, we did all of that, even made sure strongmen got in who didn't hold... brush Oct 2019 #49

Of course Rachel knows this history dansolo Oct 2019 #112

Not saying it isn't, but can you explain the KPN Oct 2019 #119

The false equivalency is that Yang inferred that both Russia and the US has... brush Oct 2019 #124

Thanks. I didn't see the debate or the KPN Oct 2019 #134

You are quite right. We have meddled for over century in order to exploit... brush Oct 2019 #146

Right, and Yang knows it (as do others.) elleng Oct 2019 #9

So why didn't he say it then? Pachamama Oct 2019 #13

Then that's what Yang should have said, instead of evading the question. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #19

He CHOSE to not answer, elleng Oct 2019 #6

How is it being "diplomatic" to make an unsubstantiated claim in a debate pnwmom Oct 2019 #8

It's not.. imv. Cha Oct 2019 #74

Maybe he didn't want to throw our mistakes in our face. He said, this hemisphere. Yikes! Karadeniz Oct 2019 #10

Or he was just shooting from the hip, spouting off stuff he assumed everyone agreed with. pnwmom Oct 2019 #17

Try this. Corporate imperialism r us. Perhaps Yang didn't want to go there... brush Oct 2019 #60

#1-He wasn't shooting from the hip. pangaia Oct 2019 #145

And we've done it for over a century, and recently under trump we've stopped... brush Oct 2019 #59

Yeah that was disqualifying. gibraltar72 Oct 2019 #12

The US has a long history or interfering in other's elections, for pete's sake!!... pangaia Oct 2019 #15

Not like what Russia did to us, with Trump's help. Where did we break into voting systems pnwmom Oct 2019 #18

Chile, Bolivia, Haiti, Italy, Japan, Philippines, Russia................. pangaia Oct 2019 #20

Thank you pangaia. Can I add Guatemala please? alwaysinasnit Oct 2019 #22

LOL Why, of course, and quite a few others.. pangaia Oct 2019 #26

You're so right. The list is too long, and those are only the ones we know of. alwaysinasnit Oct 2019 #27

And how about Iran ... decades ago? KPN Oct 2019 #64

Mohammad Mosaddegh, you're absolutely right. alwaysinasnit Oct 2019 #66

Yep. Operation Ajax. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2019 #69

Greece. Capt. America Oct 2019 #23

just about everywhere, when it comes right down to it. pangaia Oct 2019 #28

No, it doesn't. You're suggesting a moral equivalence between Russia and the US. pnwmom Oct 2019 #98

Seems to me the only difference is our now KPN Oct 2019 #121

May I suggest you study a little world history. pangaia Oct 2019 #140

Blowback. nt KPN Oct 2019 #120

Do you have proof we hacked voting machines Cha Oct 2019 #35

there are many ways to influence an 'election' besides hacking voting machines... pangaia Oct 2019 #36

It's not like the nominee colluded with Cha Oct 2019 #67

You heard it here first folks! melman Oct 2019 #76

trump and putin taking over America & burning down the Planet Cha Oct 2019 #77

Read this melman Oct 2019 #80

Amazing. And I'll throw in overthrows and assissnations of elected presidents, too. Kind of Blue Oct 2019 #90

Find a sale on straw men to attack? ehrnst Oct 2019 #128

No melman Oct 2019 #133

Yes ehrnst Oct 2019 #135

Your evidence that we broke into elections systems? pnwmom Oct 2019 #47

okay, one more shot at it.. pangaia Oct 2019 #52

I'll add a few more in Africa. But speaking of the many ways Kind of Blue Oct 2019 #94

Russia itself, 1996 Celerity Oct 2019 #106

We've done much much worse than fiddling with registration lists. Imperialism Inc. Oct 2019 #24

thank you.... pangaia Oct 2019 #29

It's what Trump is doing to us , ya know. Imperialism Inc. Oct 2019 #34

So how do you feel about Trump Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #54

Oh right... or a Trump supporter. Imperialism Inc. Oct 2019 #57

Undoubtedly some cagey trouble maker made sure Trump said that just to throw a wrench into the works Judi Lynn Oct 2019 #92

I didn't see this show today sdfernando Oct 2019 #42

Yup.... pangaia Oct 2019 #46

No we haven't. Nothing is Worse than russia Cha Oct 2019 #75

Cha, you're in Hawaii. You know the history of white planters overthrowing... brush Oct 2019 #78

Yes, I know we've done some terribly Cha Oct 2019 #81

You're right. The whole planet is in danger,not just the hemisphere as... brush Oct 2019 #84

Yeah, that's what it sounds like alright.. I just saw this.. Cha Oct 2019 #86

Under Eisenhower, the US overthrew Iran in 1953, followed by Guatemala, in 1954. Judi Lynn Oct 2019 #89

Exactly. BeckyDem Oct 2019 #125

Boy, that is well said... pangaia Oct 2019 #147

So overthrowing elected leaders and training assassins is not as bad as that? Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #45

boy, tell me about it... pangaia Oct 2019 #48

Lots of tragically under-educated folks with really loud opinions chiming in, it seems. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2019 #79

It really puts people who are informed in an awkward spot, as they can't educate someone Judi Lynn Oct 2019 #87

Whoa! Breaking into voting systems and registrations lists. How about assassinations Kind of Blue Oct 2019 #91

Would love to add this timeline of US interference throughout Latin America: Judi Lynn Oct 2019 #97

Wow! Seeing the vastness of interference Kind of Blue Oct 2019 #115

Judi Lynn, thank you for this list on the extent of our corporate imperialism. brush Oct 2019 #127

Like most of his non answers. we can do it Oct 2019 #16

Trump has said the same thing. Repeatedly. RockRaven Oct 2019 #21

Yes, we have interfered in other countries elections, it was wrong, as is the Hoyt Oct 2019 #32

That was big mistake on his part. Klobuchar's response was on point. brush Oct 2019 #37

Chili, Iran, Vietnam, etc, etc, etc still_one Oct 2019 #40

What did we do that was comparable to breaking into registration lists and election systems? pnwmom Oct 2019 #44

Many things much worse than what Russia did Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #50

Doesn't make what Putin and Russia did acceptable. Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #51

Who said it did? Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #61

exactly still_one Oct 2019 #95

+10000 Celerity Oct 2019 #122

For Trump to assist an enemy of the US to interfere in OUR election was close to treason. pnwmom Oct 2019 #62

Your false equivalency attempts are awful Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #131

assasinations still_one Oct 2019 #88

I had a problem with him saying not_the_one Oct 2019 #43

And O always thought what Yang spoke about was common knowledge KPN Oct 2019 #63

Some people are much more averse to information that makes them uncomfortable. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2019 #70

Because Trump is using that very argument to justify his helping Russia attack the election. pnwmom Oct 2019 #72

For the same reason we can imagine the death of other people, pangaia Oct 2019 #148

Has this country done some dirt? sure has. Afromania Oct 2019 #65

EXACTLY, Afromania! Cha Oct 2019 #68

Well said, Afromania. Thanks! n/t pnwmom Oct 2019 #71

+1000. He proved himself unfit for office ecstatic Oct 2019 #126

I'm putting this in the "both sides" folder. betsuni Oct 2019 #82

Mahalo, betsuni! Cha Oct 2019 #102

Here's the thing: We're still supposed to prevent it from happening to US. NCLefty Oct 2019 #93

Yes, agreed that is the thing. But let's establish facts first about whether Kind of Blue Oct 2019 #96

Our aim has been to promote democracy, and yes, especially under R administrations, pnwmom Oct 2019 #99

'Our aim has been to promote democracy' melman Oct 2019 #100

Democrats haven't tried to promote democracy? betsuni Oct 2019 #103

FFS melman Oct 2019 #105

What? betsuni Oct 2019 #107

What? melman Oct 2019 #108

Oh, melman. betsuni Oct 2019 #109

Right melman Oct 2019 #117

Oh, melman. betsuni Oct 2019 #118

...... Skidmore Oct 2019 #123

lol. ehrnst Oct 2019 #129

lol melman Oct 2019 #132

lol ehrnst Oct 2019 #136

The true irony is that we worked to install Yeltsin as President of Russia (this occurred during the Celerity Oct 2019 #104

Whew.. thanks for taking the time. pangaia Oct 2019 #150

I think you've brought up an incredible teaching moment in your OP Kind of Blue Oct 2019 #111

To quote Melman.. pangaia Oct 2019 #149

We've been meddling in elections for many years. Firestorm49 Oct 2019 #101

The Japanese attacked us in Pearl Harbor. If some Americans had helped them attack us, pnwmom Oct 2019 #113

HUH? pangaia Oct 2019 #151

I view Skidmore Oct 2019 #110

I'm till undecided but after that response I know Yang is out of my decision. blueinredohio Oct 2019 #114

I've generally liked Yang... Mike Nelson Oct 2019 #116

He should stick to being $1000 ant-automation guy. NT TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #130

We have been meddling FOREVER in our hemisphere flamingdem Oct 2019 #138

It's the "conventional wisdom" of bothsiderisms mathematic Oct 2019 #154