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Hortensis

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24. 2015 -- before feedback caused him to back off.

Mon Nov 25, 2019, 10:55 AM

Nov 2019

Let's not fool ourselves that replacing a NATO committed to containing Russia with a "new" NATO that included Russia and Arab nations would not have benefited Russia enormously and weakened Europe enormously.

To the point that judgment and motives have to be wondered at. ISIS is a pissant nothing compared to the enormous threats Russia poses. Taking out NATO by eliminating its overriding purpose is not needed to control ISIS, making ISIS a highly questionable excuse.

I have three grandsons approaching military age, and I have wondered all along. An extremely aggressive Russia let out of the box is the biggest promise of WWIII and institution of a draft that I can imagine. Unless, of course, Europe and the U.S. were so devastated by the new insidious Cold War tactics and destruction of NATO that we let Russia expand from China to western Europe without significant opposition.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Bernie Sanders Wants a New NATO, Including Russia, to Fight ISIS - Still True? [View all] TomCADem Nov 2019 OP

Thank you. sheshe2 Nov 2019 #1

One of the reasons we have such poor relations with Russia is NATO booley Nov 2019 #2

We didn't include Russia in NATO because Russia has never been our ally. TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #4

russia was never our ally except for that one time of course booley Nov 2019 #6

WE made Russia an enemy? Should a been nicer to Russia!? emmaverybo Nov 2019 #10

Say what????? wnylib Nov 2019 #14

Don't bother with this. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2019 #15

Are You On the Same Page as Booley TomCADem Nov 2019 #43

Russia is an enemy that THEIR foreign policy created, not ours. Remember Khrushchev.... George II Nov 2019 #36

russia is trying to destroy us through trump... Cha Nov 2019 #37

+++ still_one Nov 2019 #38

Bravo, Cha! You tell em! emmaverybo Dec 2019 #53

With all due respect... HOGWASH. Happy Hoosier Nov 2019 #48

NATO exists *because of* Russia (the Soviet Union). The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #51

It's not very smart, is it? It shows complete ignorance... NurseJackie Nov 2019 #52

Russia has been our ally at least twice. totodeinhere Dec 2019 #56

I didn't recall those instances in history and I stand corrected. Thanks. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #57

I think it is refreshing that a Bernie Supporter Acknowledges Bernie's Pro-Russia/Anti-NATO... TomCADem Nov 2019 #41

So if some people are going to question Biden's wisdom over the IWR vote, TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #3

Not sure those two things are the same however. booley Nov 2019 #5

"I havent' seen anything to make me think Sanders doesn't' understand exactly what Russia is." TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #7

Right? betsuni Nov 2019 #8

Nothing. boomer_wv Nov 2019 #27

SMH! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2019 #11

When you were talking about overthrowing a government Hav Nov 2019 #13

Sanders has a history of sticking up for Russia and Russians for some time... George II Nov 2019 #40

One can form coalitions with different partners for different purposes. As we were allied in WW2. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #21

Keep in mind that Bernie made this proposal after Russia invaded the Crimea. TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #25

KR! Cha Nov 2019 #9

The official purpose of NATO... TomVilmer Nov 2019 #12

I don't hear him talking... Mike Nelson Nov 2019 #16

This would be insane. NATO exists to contain Russian imperialism, Hortensis Nov 2019 #17

Not insane. Sanders was not calling for Russia to join NATO. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #22

2015 -- before feedback caused him to back off. Hortensis Nov 2019 #24

But he wasn't calling for Russia to join NATO, even in 2015. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #29

But, let's not play with words. nt Hortensis Nov 2019 #31

What do you mean? (n/t) thesquanderer Nov 2019 #34

Russia has borders with 14 nations (including an 11 mile strip of NoKo) Celerity Nov 2019 #46

Putin wants to restore borders to the former Soviet Union -- Hortensis Nov 2019 #47

Yes. It would be. Why would any sane person want such a thing? NurseJackie Nov 2019 #50

WHY is a really good question. A "new" NATO with a NEW mission Hortensis Dec 2019 #54

I could never trust Russia... NurseJackie Nov 2019 #18

And a nice establishment status quo Russian sauna. betsuni Nov 2019 #19

I am not sure if having Russia as part of this alliance is a good idea Gothmog Nov 2019 #20

Remember this was 2015. In 2012, Obama laughed when Romney said Russia was adversary #1. nt thesquanderer Nov 2019 #23

Link? TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #26

video clip... thesquanderer Nov 2019 #28

Turns out Mitt was right on that matter... comradebillyboy Nov 2019 #33

Dmitry Medvedev Was President of Russia, Not Putin TomCADem Nov 2019 #42

Medvedev was Putin's puppet... comradebillyboy Nov 2019 #44

So Is Trump... TomCADem Nov 2019 #45

Too true... comradebillyboy Nov 2019 #49

Good question. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2019 #30

Bernie seems overly fond of his Russian friends. It just comradebillyboy Nov 2019 #32

The Times They Are a-Changin' TomVilmer Nov 2019 #35

I Think There Is Difference Between Bernie Pushing a Putin Partnership... TomCADem Dec 2019 #55

I was reacting to the lack of knowledge in most answers here... TomVilmer Dec 2019 #58

You've Been On Fire Lately Me. Nov 2019 #39