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The Velveteen Ocelot

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9. Suit yourself, but Sanders is the only one of the first- or second-tier candidates
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 06:24 PM
Jan 2020

whom I will absolutely not support in the primary in my state. Obviously I'd vote for him in the general because he'd be better than Trump (but that's a pretty low bar), but I seriously doubt he could win. For one thing, the GOP will slap the "socialist" label on him and he won't be able to peel it off because he's called himself that, and that label, fairly or accurately or not, is still the kiss of death in this country. For another thing, maybe we're all sick of angry, shouty old men. I certainly am.

More importantly, I don't think that, even if Bernie did manage to win, he would be a good or effective president. Although I supported him in 2016, he showed me a side I didn't like at all when he refused to concede to Clinton even after there was no mathematical chance he could get enough delegates - and then his supporters tried to disrupt the convention because they didn't like the outcome. That's poor sportsmanship at best and destructive, even nihilistic behavior at worst. Even though my personal ideology is closer to his, I was happy to shift my support to Hillary because by then I thought she could win and that she'd be a good president.

Now, four years later, I'm more convinced than ever that Sanders, unlike Clinton and unlike most of the other current candidates, lacks the temperament needed for the presidency. His ideology is rigid and, like his political vocabulary, it has not changed appreciably since the '60s. He doesn't understand that racism can't be fixed with only a more progressive economic policy, which means that he doesn't have a particularly strong following among PoC, especially women, whose votes we need desperately. He seems oblivious to reported charges of sexism within his own campaign (an onloing problem within the doctinaire left since the '60s), and his campaign's senior staff includes former Stein voters and current Democrat-bashers like David Sirota, Brihanna Gray and Nina Turner, all of whom seem to be more interested in trashing the so-called "establishment" (as if someone who's been in Congress for decades isn't a member of same) than in focusing on persuading voters to actually vote for Democrats. What will this do to down-ticket Democratic candidates who rely on the coattails of a strong Democratic presidential ticket?

And this all comes down to the basic point that Bernie isn't a team player and never has been. He's a Democrat only every four years when it's convenient, and he will have a huge problem on that account if he were to become president: to be successful a president absolutely needs his/her party to have his/her back. Would Bernie appoint agency heads who can work with Democrats in Congress, or will he appoint ideologues without proper vetting (see, e.g., Darius Khalil Gordon, who had to be fired from his campaign when his anti-Semitic and homophobic tweets were discovered; why weren't they discovered before he was offered a job - and what about the endorsement of noted misogynist Cenk Uygur)? Never mind being able to work with Republicans - will Democratic Congresspeople and other politicians trust Bernie after he and his surrogates have been kicking them in the nuts for the entire duration of his campaign? Will they support his initiatives and legislative proposals? Will he kick them in the nuts some more if they ask him to support proposed bills that are not pure enough to suit him? Or will he just yell and point his fingers and rail about the billionaires, like always?

I do believe Bernie is sincere, but sincerity isn't enough. And I really don't give a shit about satisfying my own personal ideology or anybody else's as long as Trump is in the White House posing an existential threat to democracy. Sorry, but the only reason I can think of any more to support Bernie is that he's better than Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Thank you! RobertDevereaux Jan 2020 #1
May sanders continue to earn your support booley Jan 2020 #2
I am about ready to do the same CountAllVotes Jan 2020 #3
The swing voters in The Rust Belt States ritapria Jan 2020 #4
I'm a strong Sanders supporter but will happily pull a lever for Warren. I have no doubt that Nanjeanne Jan 2020 #5
In the end I hope Warren & Sanders supporters can join forces caraher Jan 2020 #6
100% with you on this! RobertDevereaux Jan 2020 #7
Yes, I would like to rally around one of them Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #15
Me too, as you can obviously see below... but, welcome aboard the Bernie bandwagon!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #52
A well thought out post. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #8
I agree with you Joe. I notice that those who I believe are the most politically astute tend to vote InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #53
Suit yourself, but Sanders is the only one of the first- or second-tier candidates The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #9
Thanks Tom. CentralMass Jan 2020 #10
Very smart analysis. Joe941 Jan 2020 #11
great write-up... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #12
It just occurred to me why Sanders said, I apologize to no one Beringia Jan 2020 #13
Very well thought out post. nt Ferrets are Cool Jan 2020 #14
Suit yourself BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #16
I don't think we collectively are capable of imagining how ugly the upcoming campaign will be Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #17
Who do you see as his running mate? BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #18
I would hope for Kamala Harris Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #19
I'm At The Bottom Of The Tank For Amb. Rice (Check Her Fresh OpEd On Iran) corbettkroehler Jan 2020 #23
Rice is on my list for VPs, too. blm Jan 2020 #55
Anyone switching to Sanders was for Sanders all along NYMinute Jan 2020 #20
I don't appreciate the implication that I am lying Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #21
I am sorry, but now that you have declared yourself a Bernie supporter, this is to be expected. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #26
Tom Rinaldo is not a liar. He's a stellar DU member and blm Jan 2020 #34
You've perhaps read a different history altogether NYMinute Jan 2020 #36
Um....Biden camp said she was dishonest like Trump. blm Jan 2020 #37
Those are not attacks on Sen Warren but an attack on her policy of M4A NYMinute Jan 2020 #39
They went after her honesty and credibility - that's personal blm Jan 2020 #41
No one went after her honesty and credibility NYMinute Jan 2020 #42
You're wrong. blm Jan 2020 #44
Link? NYMinute Jan 2020 #45
Posted a couple above. blm Jan 2020 #46
There are none - I read all your posts above. nt NYMinute Jan 2020 #47
Repost for you blm Jan 2020 #48
Thanks NYMinute Jan 2020 #49
Another. And, unfortunately, it WAS Joe blm Jan 2020 #50
Thank you. n/t Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #40
Welcome! Here's Why You're Right corbettkroehler Jan 2020 #22
Sanders 2020 equals McGoven 1972 question everything Jan 2020 #24
I am familiar both with that viewpoiint and with the 1972 election, which I participated in. Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #25
McGovern was the only one against the war, which was one reason why he won the nomination question everything Jan 2020 #29
Sanders has very high favorability numbers. If I'm not mistaken, the best in the field Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #30
I can think of worse people to compare Bernie with. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #33
If you are happy to repeat that major loss, your pleasure. question everything Jan 2020 #35
I guess we disagree on who would be more likely to beat Trump. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #38
The only difference would be VT would substitute MA in the final result NYMinute Jan 2020 #43
Do you mean SD? blm Jan 2020 #51
1972 electoral map NYMinute Jan 2020 #54
Oh, right. blm Jan 2020 #56
Let's just ALL OF US pull the lever for the Democrat. secondwind Jan 2020 #27
Of course we should, and will Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #28
Thanks for the thoughtful post. scipan Jan 2020 #31
Thank you. You are very insightful and I agree with you. n/t totodeinhere Jan 2020 #32
Same here RussBLib Jan 2020 #57
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