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In reply to the discussion: What the actual hell is with this Bloomberg love? [View all]Gothmog
(144,945 posts)175. I fear that a very weak candidate like sanders would kill down ballot candidates
I am very worried about down ballot races. sanders is a very weak candidate and would be easy for trump to destroy. In addition to the well written 101 page memorandum with oppo on sanders with a 1000 pages of backup from the Clinton campaign trump has his own oppo file on sanders that would destroy such a weak and divisive candidate like sanders.
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trump had a two foot thick book of oppo research on Sanders http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
They ignored the fact that Sanders had not yet faced a real campaign against him. Clinton was in the delicate position of dealing with a large portion of voters who treated Sanders more like the Messiah than just another candidate. She was playing the long gameattacking Sanders strongly enough to win, but gently enough to avoid alienating his supporters. Given her overwhelming support from communities of colorfor example, about 70 percent of African-American voters cast their ballot for herClinton had a firewall that would be difficult for Sanders to breach....
So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....
The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I dont know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....
The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I dont know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
sanders was such a weak primary candidate that the Clinton campaign did not use its oppo but trump would have fun destroying such a weak candidate like sanders
I will vote for the nominee of the party but I fear that the nomination of sanders will lead to a Speaker Kevin McCarthy
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Just shows you Bernie is surging and Joe is faltering... Feelin the Bern baby!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2020
#127
Yes he has. If people are happy Bloom is in it to take votes from Bernie they will be disappointed.
Autumn
Feb 2020
#122
absolutely not - he is merely running a campaign focussing on trump.....
getagrip_already
Feb 2020
#71
In my circle of lifelong NY area Democrats, I don't know one Bernie supporter and...
Mars and Minerva
Feb 2020
#46
Well said...although you have to appreciate the help with guns and the mid terms.
Demsrule86
Feb 2020
#160
To be honest, as long as its not a candidates debate I'd love to see that too.
Kentonio
Feb 2020
#20
So you don't even have that as an excuse for why you're now supporting a guy who endorsed Bush in 04
Kentonio
Feb 2020
#21
I will never support a guy who deigns to call himself a Democrat for only 8 months out of every four
stopbush
Feb 2020
#23
We have one job in this election. Beat trump. Nothing else matters. Bloomberg can, BS can't.
Squinch
Feb 2020
#17
No, dear. I won't stop with it. BS couldn't beat Hillary (cue the violins and the
Squinch
Feb 2020
#22
I seem to remember getting endless lectures about how Bernie couldn't win last time
Kentonio
Feb 2020
#29
Trump is just starting to use the Bernie is a communist/socialist crap This will really wind up his
Oppaloopa
Feb 2020
#30
A traffic cone might beat Trump. That doesn't mean it should be President.
RhodeIslandOne
Feb 2020
#114
I'm curious what your issue is with the other candidates not named Sanders. n/m
RhodeIslandOne
Feb 2020
#185
Overall, I don't feel they have the gravitas necessary to excite the electorate
stopbush
Feb 2020
#188
Hillary was establishment at a time people wanted to shake up the establishment
I_M_Blue_2
Feb 2020
#106
Your friends who are scared of Liz and Bernie really ought to do some reading to see what this
JudyM
Feb 2020
#72
Oh yeah, not me. It's not the money, it's the policies and the underlying values.
JudyM
Feb 2020
#164
Sanders follows the FDR model, regardless of nomenclature. Very simple and clear.
JudyM
Feb 2020
#110
Really? Sanders is a pro-capitalist, pro-trade, anti-protectionist, internationalist-interventionist
OneMoreCupOfCoffee
Feb 2020
#128
Sanders follows the examples of FDR and Dr. King. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
JudyM
Feb 2020
#139
No I think Biden can beat Trump and I hope he is the nominee...but Sander no...he
Demsrule86
Feb 2020
#173
I don't like that Bloomberg endorsed Bush, but I like that Bernie called for Obama to be primaried
LongtimeAZDem
Feb 2020
#70
Plenty of Dems were upset at the administration's proposals to cut social security and leave shrub's
JudyM
Feb 2020
#107
I am not convinced people here really like him. Bloomberg is one of the least popular
Quixote1818
Feb 2020
#82
In my case, at least, you are completely wrong. I didn't vote to "stick it to Sanders even though
LongtimeAZDem
Feb 2020
#94
Aligning with greens is an alliance that could save the election if he's the candidate. We ignore
JudyM
Feb 2020
#108
No, aligning with the Greens is political suicide. It's time to stop catering to the petulant and
LongtimeAZDem
Feb 2020
#129
You don't think it would help us if the greens opposed us less? If they were able to make less
JudyM
Feb 2020
#136
They demonstrated unequivocally last time that they cannot be relied upon for support; pandering to
LongtimeAZDem
Feb 2020
#137
There was huge opposition last time, and a migration to them. That's what we need to learn from
JudyM
Feb 2020
#142
There are only 2 parties with any chance of winning the election for President
I_M_Blue_2
Feb 2020
#151
If we can't form an alliance, we can still have major climate action in our platform so that their
JudyM
Feb 2020
#162
Why is it a bad thing that Bloomberg is attacking Trump every day using his own money?
dalton99a
Feb 2020
#85
He would be an infinitely better president than Trump and would largely govern....
DemocratSinceBirth
Feb 2020
#88
It isn't "Bloomberg love" so much as skepticism about Sanders, as I explained in a reply in that
highplainsdem
Feb 2020
#91
If the choice is between sanders who would be killed by trump and Bloomberg, I go with Bloomberg
Gothmog
Feb 2020
#104
I fear that a very weak candidate like sanders would kill down ballot candidates
Gothmog
Feb 2020
#175
Vote your heart in the primary, vote the party in the general. As a Bernie supporter, will you
chia
Feb 2020
#138
While I think Biden will do better than you estimate, your analysis is excellent
LongtimeAZDem
Feb 2020
#170