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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: Laurence Tribe, the Constitutional law prof at Harvard, has concerns about Bernie. [View all]Jarqui
(10,409 posts)184. Here is the basis for the video:
The video was responding to what it alleged was a smear
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-bakari-sellers-on-bernie-sanders-chances-with-black-voters-that-ship-has-already-sailed/
I mean, its not the fact that Bernie Sanders marched with Dr. King in the 60s, he continued. I think that was one of the first things that he said. The question was, where have you been and what have you done since then. Where has your activism been since the 60s, and show me your legislation as mayor of Burlington or why youve been in the United States House or United States Senate to positively affect change in the African-American community. And he wasnt able to articulate that answer.
This was stated by someone alleged as an ardent Clinton supporter, Bakari Sellers.
I answered a bunch of that right here about what Sanders has done since the 60s to "to positively affect change in the African-American community":
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=57101
The facts are that Sanders has consistently done plenty.
The video claim on this is correct.
The video then claims this got said (from the linked article above):
I think that Bernie Sanders has a long way to go, Sellers said, then added Theres a certain part of me that believes that ship has already sailed.
The video reasonably summarized that.
The video addresses this issue, with polls (facts)- some that I posted here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=56563
The video correctly cites polls that show African Americans positively supporting Sanders.
The video raises these pictures taken by the Chicago Tribune of Bernie handcuffed to a black woman and arrested in reference to his civil rights efforts on segregation and discrimination in housing in the 60s
http://www.trbimg.com/img-56cca0aa/turbine/ct-bernie-sanders-arrested-20160219
It's another fact. The video is correct.
The video claims Sanders fought for issues African Americans support:
"higher wages"
"criminal justice reform"
"health care for everyone"
"free college tuition"
He's fought for those things or things like them all his life.
Again, I covered a lot of what he did since the 60s for African Americans in this post
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=57101
The video is correct.
The video cites polls that have Sanders with better support from African Americans than black candidates Kamala Harris and Cory Booker. The video correctly states that too much shouldn't be read into that right now because "not enough people know Kamala Harris and Cory Booker" yet - "well known senators to some" - but because "most of America is not knee deep in politics" they are not widely well known. It is "out of context to say black Americans like Bernie Sanders" more than Kamala and Cory.
Once again, the video is correct.
But "do they (African Americanss) like Bernie Sanders? .. Yes they do!" And the video cites a Gallop poll with Sanders only +3 with whites and +43 with non-whites (Video inaccurately implies African Americans rather than non-whites)
https://news.gallup.com/poll/243539/americans-maintain-positive-view-bernie-sanders.aspx
But the overall message of the video is correct. Bernie could not be +43 with non-whites if African Americans did not think favorably of him.
Then the video cites this poll
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2018/jan/11/poll-oprah-winfrey-would-lose-a-democratic-primary-to-biden-and-sanders
Some 76% of Democratic voters had a somewhat favorable or very favorable opinion of the former vice-president. In contrast, only 67% of Democratic voters felt the same about Winfrey, leaving her even with the leftwing former Democratic hopeful Sanders and ahead of Massachusetts senator Warren, whom only 58% of Democratic voters had a very favorable or somewhat favorable opinion of.
http://www.rabaresearch.com/poll-archive/
The video reasonably reports that poll
The video mentioned 70%-15% favorable numbers for Oprah Winfrey and 70%-10% favorable number for Sanders among African Americans in a Quinnipiac Poll
http://www.rabaresearch.com/poll-archive/
The video is correct
Bernie favorable numbers among Hispanics 55%-21% (+34), Whites 43%-45% (-2) in that poll.
From the above the video starts by suggesting the notion that Sanders is not liked by African Americans is a smear. It concludes by calling it a lie.
I agree with the video.
Then the video deals with why Sanders did not do well with African Americans in the early primary states in 2016. It cites that 76% of Americans had no idea who Bernie Sanders was in 2015. As of June 2015 in this poll
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2228
62% "didn't know enough" about him for formulate a favorable/unfavorable response
https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/PPP_Release_National_13015.pdf
In Jan 2015, Hillary 68% Bernie 2%
He goes on to say Clinton had incredible name recognition and Bill Clinton had been very popular with African Americans - which is true.
The video is correct
The video goes on to talk about the importance of name recognition to consider when assessing the results. It reminds us that to conclude much on Kamala or Cory now would be just as unfair as it was to Sanders during the early primary contests in 2016. The video is correct.
It reminded me of CNN polling that showed Hillary was more "popular" with African Americans at the start of the 2008 primary than Barack Obama was. Wolf Blitzer got into it. But it was the same story. As African Americans got to know Obama, they came around big time.
I mentioned in previous posts that I do not feel those are the only reasons Bernie did not do well with African Americans in 2016. I felt that African American leadership came out against him and for Clinton which had a substantial impact. John Lewis slighted Bernie and that was also damaging.
I'm certainly not suggesting Bernie will get African American support like Obama did. Kamala or Cory or someone else may yet snatch it away.
But this notion that Bernie Sanders is unpopular with African Americans is not showing up consistently in the polls. And strikes me as well as a lie or a smear.
You can shoot the messenger of the video all you like. It won't change the fact that his analysis on this particular matter is not far off.
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Laurence Tribe, the Constitutional law prof at Harvard, has concerns about Bernie. [View all]
pnwmom
Apr 2019
OP
We're all better off vetting everybody during the primaries, and not waiting till the general.
pnwmom
Apr 2019
#2
Will Prof.Tribe soon find himself looking up at the underside of a bus chassis?
The Velveteen Ocelot
Apr 2019
#3
Environmental dumping, taxes, Russian support in 2016, wife's college funding issues,
allgood33
Apr 2019
#76
We need look into candidates who are friendly to big pharna and Betsy Devos.
CentralMass
Apr 2019
#103
No one in the media took sanders seriously and so sanders has never been vetted
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#15
Jesus Christ. The BRUISING on his face! That was one hell of a head strike.
Maru Kitteh
Apr 2019
#271
I say no problem. People like Bernie and his policies and he's running against a neo nazi
CentralMass
Apr 2019
#109
In my experience, one can argue with a Berniebot, but you can't reason with one.
WheelWalker
Apr 2019
#163
What makes me want to "leave the room and puke" is his praise for Fidel's "Revolution"
Maru Kitteh
Apr 2019
#272
Actually, that's true. That's why the 24 whistleblowers leaked their own letter.
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#166
sanders was not vetted by the press and the Clinton campaign treated sanders with kid gloves
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#23
Biden and a couple other candidates would also beat sanders with African American voters
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#102
LOL Sanders was a light weight in civil rights movement and cannot compare to John Lewis
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#120
Right, we have Bernie Sanders who was involved with civil rights movement to the point that he
CentralMass
Apr 2019
#123
It always amazes me that Senator Sanders refused to vote against Governor Wallace
KitSileya
Apr 2019
#190
I won't watch videos of Cenk Uygur or The Young Turks. First, for years he, as a native of Turkey..
George II
Apr 2019
#146
Wow! Thanks for that background info on Cenk. He's a real piece of work, ain't he?
NurseJackie
Apr 2019
#149
"My brand shares a name with a genocidal movement, but it's too late to change it."
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#174
Apparently, Cenk's default position is to deny the existence of all sorts of stuff.
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#178
There is a difference between shooting the messenger and not trusting the messenger.
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#195
Fans of civil rights icon BS repaid the "slight" by trolling and ultimately booing Lewis
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#197
That's exactly the point. Lewis NEVER said Sanders wasn't in Alabama back then (he wasn't)....
George II
Apr 2019
#200
Isn't that tweet from the person BS hired to help craft his national message?
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#227
42% of Vermont voters favored Hallquist in October according to local reports.
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#199
My apologies...that 42% was Hallquist's number as reported by the local press.
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#215
Did anyone from Vermont (besides Sen Leahy) offer to raise funds with Hallquist?
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#221
I saw that you posted a picture and I was hoping to see some on white attendees
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#205
I am still waiting for pictures or video of non whites attending a sanders event
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#204
Cenk Uygur IS "The Young Turks"! He was born in Istanbul and for years denied the existence...
George II
Apr 2019
#171
"When the black leadership doesn't have their thumb on the scale" - what does that mean? And....
George II
Apr 2019
#128
What did he DO, not what did he say? I don't see anything specific that he did, like....
George II
Apr 2019
#133
I know that, but we keep hearing from Sanders surrogates that he was against the 1994....
George II
Apr 2019
#144
No. I heartily disagree. That is not factually correct or fair. It's wrong and misleading.
Jarqui
Apr 2019
#238
BS voted for versions of the Crime Bill that did not contain the assault weapons ban.
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#239
BS claimed that he voted for the Crime Bill because it included an assault weapons ban.
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#254
I think we have to deal with one thing at a time because you're having a problem
Jarqui
Apr 2019
#255
Why did you post links to right wing sources that disputed the honesty of fact checkers
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#240
The story you reference, first published in September 2016, was exclusive to The Daily Caller .
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#245
Why are you alleging corruption on the part of Politifact and the Democratic general election
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#248
Biden wrote, sponsored, and achieved enactment of the Violence Against Women Act...
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#234
I thought he's been a leader in the Senate? Leaders write and introduce legislation....
George II
Apr 2019
#138
Impressive. Twenty eight years, six bills passed, during only three sessions (2/102, 1/109, 3/113)
George II
Apr 2019
#148
What would you use as a "yardstick", anything of substance? By the way, it's a well known fact....
George II
Apr 2019
#157
As you should know, there are a whole bunch of procedural or insignificant votes
Jarqui
Apr 2019
#162
Not being a member of the Democratic Party is his choice, he hasn't been barred from joining....
George II
Apr 2019
#223
"Not being a member of a party hasn't hindered him from introducing or co-sponsoring bills."
Jarqui
Apr 2019
#231
I am hoping that sanders stays in long enough to have to go before a newspaper editorial board
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#108
Your photos are small section of the crowd. View the large photo that shows the entire crowd.
CentralMass
Apr 2019
#267
One of my Biggest Concerns About Bernie is his Vote for Blanket Immunity for Gun Manufacturers
dlk
Apr 2019
#30
I look back at some of Joe Bidens votes like that 2005 Bankruptcy bill that he championed
CentralMass
Apr 2019
#115
I can't stand Sirota, but if Biden is really saying that Social Security can only be saved
pnwmom
Apr 2019
#40
That was from back when Sirota said he "wasn't working for Sanders" when he really was.
George II
Apr 2019
#142
True. Bernie's message is resonating and that scares the shit out of Tribe
Power 2 the People
Apr 2019
#63
Lawyers argue cases for their clients' interests, not their personal ideology.
The Velveteen Ocelot
Apr 2019
#86
Non-sequitur.This topic was about Mr. Tribe and his electioneering. Not Sanders tax returns.
Power 2 the People
Apr 2019
#88
You said Tribe is not liberal because he defended a corporation in court,
The Velveteen Ocelot
Apr 2019
#91
Tribe believes in the "corporations are people doctrine." That is not liberal nor progressive.
Power 2 the People
Apr 2019
#94
You are misrepresenting Laurence Tribe's opinion on Citizens United.
Power 2 the People
Apr 2019
#96
That isn't the same as arguing the logic was correct, and Tribe's analysis is more nuanced
The Velveteen Ocelot
Apr 2019
#98
Nothing being hidden. Looking forward to 10 years being released after tax day.
Power 2 the People
Apr 2019
#83
Right. If he doesn't think he made enough charitable donations or whatever, dump them
pnwmom
Apr 2019
#159
Yes. I grew up about 2 miles from where he did in Brooklyn (he's only 7 years older than me)....
George II
Apr 2019
#179
There is an agenda out there to make sure no Democrat wins and it aint just from cons
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2019
#252