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Minstrel Boy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 12:11 PM Original message |
Venezuela to replace old US aircraft with 50 new Russian MIG-29 Fulcrums |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. Good |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. Chavez pokes the bush in the eye |
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Easy (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 01:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Germany "inherited" some MiG-29s from the NVA (GDR-Army), |
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Florida_Geek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
3. But But But Bush's Friends will not make a dime on this |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 12:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. The Lockheed planes are probably too expensive... |
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Florida_Geek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 12:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. 4 - 6 Billion is not cump change |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
5. Look at What Happened After Noriega Tried to Buy Mig-21s |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
7. Good for Chavez! |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 12:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I am no expert on Venezuela, but I would imagine they sell |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 12:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. they do |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 01:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Interesting...explains why both Democrats and Republicans seem |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 12:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Oh, if the FSA wants to give Venezuela money, that's fine, |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 01:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I bet Venezuela brings in imports from the US (admit, I may be wrong). |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 01:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. In a calming tone of voice, he said . . . |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 02:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Yes, I often talk like that. (Smiles, doesn't blink) |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 03:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. If it were only so easy to jawbone them to death . . . |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 03:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Buck up! |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 05:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. This is like Spain in 1936. |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 09:21 AM Response to Reply #27 |
47. I wish I were wiser... |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
16. I like Chavez more and more. |
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cornfedyank (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
17. screw all warmongers |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 04:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Don't bet on that. |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 04:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Is it bad to barbeque anything...man I love Texas bbq! |
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cornfedyank (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. they can barbeque my body, but not my spirit. |
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Alpharetta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
18. That's a lot of planes |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 03:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Knowing very little about Venezuela do they have a history of |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 05:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Not really.....But the Bush PNAC always have. |
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Bono71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 05:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Hold on... |
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Alpharetta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 10:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. I'll answer some of your questions |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 10:41 PM Response to Reply #26 |
41. In response....... |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 12:00 AM Response to Reply #26 |
44. PNAC... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Not to mention the sordid history of US intervention in Latin America |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
24. Hey....what's with Israel and Russia getting all the cushy Def. Contractor |
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Chicago Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
29. Simpson's kid says: "HA ha!" |
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Polemicist (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
30. Isn't the MIG-29, "old iron"? |
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Democracy Died 2004 (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. the f-16 and f-15 are as old as Mig-29 |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Jets hit a plateau in the 1960s |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. The jet is a missile platform, what's important is the avionics-AWACS |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 09:39 AM Response to Reply #33 |
49. In the early 1970s.... |
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Randi_Listener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. You're wrong. |
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Carl Brennan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 09:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Good write up. I worked on F-4's on |
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Randi_Listener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 09:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Pilots being equal, the Mig-29 is as good as any dogfighter we have. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 09:49 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. MiG-29s can be extremely formidable with right avionics and a good pilot |
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Carl Brennan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
37. Who is a more reliable source |
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ausiedownunderground (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
42. Venezuela would be the jungle version of Iraq! |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
43. Well, if they're going from the AR or FAL or G-3 series to the AK.... |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 10:44 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. With the Average combat being 90 Yards? |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I think you'll find... |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 09:16 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. That is NOT the reports I am hearing |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
45. Thanks for posting that Rogershot! Far more handsome than some I've seen |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 04:18 AM Response to Original message |
46. Y'all are on crack... |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 09:26 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Such as the pilots and their training. Of course, as long as the US has a |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 09:20 AM Response to Reply #46 |
54. Like 16% of our oil comes from Venezuela - Get a grip DoNotRefill |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
51. Chavez must break out of this Russia/Cuba group and use EU allies. (nt) |
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